Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 86 (8943 total)
48 online now:
Newest Member: LaLa dawn
Post Volume: Total: 863,892 Year: 18,928/19,786 Month: 1,348/1,705 Week: 154/446 Day: 50/104 Hour: 5/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Gun Control III
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


(1)
Message 5 of 834 (823809)
11-17-2017 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Thugpreacha
11-17-2017 10:05 AM


Re: Supply & Demand
Phat writes:

I'm all for common sense gun control legislation.


You can't have common sense gun control legislation in a nation that has no common sense about guns.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by Thugpreacha, posted 11-17-2017 10:05 AM Thugpreacha has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 6 by Thugpreacha, posted 11-17-2017 11:30 AM ringo has responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


(1)
Message 7 of 834 (823814)
11-17-2017 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Thugpreacha
11-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: If Shootings Become More Common What Then?
Phat writes:

My question is whether shootings become so common that the media largely ignores them.


I think they should be ignored more than they are. As I've said before, "dog bites man" isn't news. You might as well report, "Sun rises in east," every day.

Phat writes:

a hundred people can die in another country and most of us won't hear about it.


If people die in an earthquake, I'm not sure that's newsworthy either. What makes earthquakes, etc. worth reporting is that we may be able to do something to help the survivors.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by Thugpreacha, posted 11-17-2017 11:30 AM Thugpreacha has acknowledged this reply

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 32 of 834 (828354)
02-16-2018 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Thugpreacha
02-15-2018 1:10 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
Phat writes:

What if the administrator does not want to have "ability to engage in shootout to protect lives" in their job description? Seems well above my pay grade, anyway.


We need to arm the cashiers at Safeway so they can protect the customers.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by Thugpreacha, posted 02-15-2018 1:10 PM Thugpreacha has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 33 by Tanypteryx, posted 02-16-2018 12:03 PM ringo has acknowledged this reply

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 67 of 834 (828664)
02-22-2018 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
02-22-2018 10:45 AM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
Faith writes:

... schools, where the shootings always happen. I don't care who is armed....


What about country music concerts in Vegas? Do you want to arm the whole crowd so they can blaze away at the hotel where the shots are coming from?

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 66 by Faith, posted 02-22-2018 10:45 AM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 69 by Faith, posted 02-22-2018 10:56 AM ringo has responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


(1)
Message 70 of 834 (828668)
02-22-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
02-22-2018 10:56 AM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
Faith writes:

Possibly if there had been someone in the crowd or nearby who had a rifle handy he might have been stopped before he did his worst.


That's what I'm saying. If more good guys with guns is your solution, arm all the good guys in the crowd with sniper rifles. "He's in that window! No! He's in that window! No! I mean the one beside the one I shot out!"

The problem is: How do you figure out who the good guys are? By giving guns to good guys, you're also giving guns to bad guys who haven't done anything bad yet. And you're also giving guns to guys who couldn't hit the side of a barn - but they could hit the side of a hotel.

Faith writes:

But making sure crowds anywhere are unarmed in this day and age is NOT the sane solution.


It has nothing to do with "this day and age". In this same day and age, most of the countries in the world get by with very few mass shootings.

It's about the insane attitude that Americans have toward guns.


An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 69 by Faith, posted 02-22-2018 10:56 AM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 71 by Faith, posted 02-22-2018 11:22 AM ringo has responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


(2)
Message 72 of 834 (828672)
02-22-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
02-22-2018 11:22 AM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
Faith writes:

It certainly IS about "this day and age." We have a NEW unusual problem in this country....


I recently re-read two books by Edwin Tunis that I was fond of when I was a kid: Colonial living and Frontier Living. They portray a gun-obsessed and violence obsessed America going back to the 1600s.

Faith writes:

Other countries don't have our particular problems and the comparison is unfair.


They don't have the same problems because they don't have the same attitude - that guns problems can be solved by more guns.

Faith writes:

And again, stop arguing this when there's been a shooting....


We have to discuss it soon after the shooting because it's only a few days until the next shooting.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 71 by Faith, posted 02-22-2018 11:22 AM Faith has not yet responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


(1)
Message 110 of 834 (828859)
02-25-2018 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Thugpreacha
02-24-2018 2:51 PM


RE: No Match for Assault Rifles
Phat writes:

Having a "them vs us" mentality would encourage more shootings, in my opinion.


And a lot more confrontations that didn't even involve armed students. Imagine a frustrated teacher drawing his Colt 1911 and yelling, "I said, SIT DOWN!"

Kindergarten teaches us how to get along with our fellow citizens. High school is supposed to teach us how to think and discuss things rationally. Trump wants to emphasize the worst aspect of human nature and teach children to solve their problems by shooting it out. We might just as well close the schools entirely.


An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 108 by Thugpreacha, posted 02-24-2018 2:51 PM Thugpreacha has not yet responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 139 of 834 (830347)
03-27-2018 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Percy
03-27-2018 8:45 AM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Percy writes:

"Well regulated Militias" have almost ceased to exist, those that do do not at all resemble the militias imagined by the 2nd amendment, and men no longer provide their own guns when joining the military.


But as long as the 2nd Amendment is interpreted as applying to everybody, it makes sense to let everybody have military-type weapons - i.e. assault rifles.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 138 by Percy, posted 03-27-2018 8:45 AM Percy has acknowledged this reply

Replies to this message:
 Message 140 by Tangle, posted 03-27-2018 5:12 PM ringo has responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 147 of 834 (830407)
03-28-2018 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Tangle
03-27-2018 5:12 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Tangle writes:

I guess 'makes sense' means something different in the US. Something like 'makes no sense'.


I would agree that very little about the 2nd Amendment makes sense outside the US. I'm just saying that it seems to be consistent - if "militia" means everybody then everybody is entitled to military weapons. I wonder if they draw the line at howitzers?

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 140 by Tangle, posted 03-27-2018 5:12 PM Tangle has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 148 by Modulous, posted 03-28-2018 5:23 PM ringo has acknowledged this reply
 Message 149 by xongsmith, posted 03-28-2018 5:51 PM ringo has acknowledged this reply

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 151 of 834 (830444)
03-29-2018 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Tangle
03-28-2018 6:21 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
xongsmith writes:

However, a well-regulated militia certainly does not mean to be including every militia.


But the 2nd Amendment is interpreted as if everybody is entitled to bear arms, isn't it?

ABE: Sorry, replied to the wrong post.

Edited by ringo, : No reason given.


An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 150 by Tangle, posted 03-28-2018 6:21 PM Tangle has not yet responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 237 of 834 (840221)
09-25-2018 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Percy
09-25-2018 3:04 PM


Re: Guns are too dangerous to be widely owned
Percy writes:

This reminds me of an incident from maybe 15 years ago where a hunter fired at a deer and missed, striking and killing a housewife hanging wash out on the line.


Reminds me of a newspaper article some years back: A school in Los Angeles, I think, was considering building a wall around its playground to keep stray bullets out. Just goes to show there's a solution to every problem.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 236 by Percy, posted 09-25-2018 3:04 PM Percy has acknowledged this reply

Replies to this message:
 Message 238 by Tangle, posted 09-25-2018 3:51 PM ringo has acknowledged this reply

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


(1)
Message 253 of 834 (840348)
09-27-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Taq
09-27-2018 1:08 PM


Re: Today's handguns
Taq writes:

People have been shot for simply reaching towards their back pocket to get their ID.


That's why I don't carry ID.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 252 by Taq, posted 09-27-2018 1:08 PM Taq has not yet responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 269 of 834 (840387)
09-28-2018 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Thugpreacha
09-28-2018 10:45 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."


Makes it easier to spot the outlaws.

Phat writes:

"Gun Control for Dummies"


As this thread has made abundantly clear, the "law-abiding citizens" kill a lot of people.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 266 by Thugpreacha, posted 09-28-2018 10:45 AM Thugpreacha has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 270 by jar, posted 09-28-2018 11:52 AM ringo has responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 274 of 834 (840393)
09-28-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by jar
09-28-2018 11:52 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
jar writes:

Absolutely, and a lot of "law-abiding citizens" don't kill people.


And a lot of criminals don't kill people. The law-abiding-citizens versus criminals argument is bogus.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 270 by jar, posted 09-28-2018 11:52 AM jar has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 277 by jar, posted 09-28-2018 6:44 PM ringo has acknowledged this reply

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17444
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 2.7


(1)
Message 289 of 834 (840422)
09-29-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 287 by Thugpreacha
09-29-2018 11:42 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:

... many individuals who are legally allowed to carry guns are not as responsible as you and if this should be an area of social concern.


I don't exactly see eye-to-eye with jar on gun ownership, and that's fine. Diversity of opinion is healthier than everybody marching in lockstep.

I also don't see eye-to-eye with many people on dog ownership. I agree with my father who said that dogs don't belong in the city. Irresponsible dog ownership causes a lot of harm. A certain amount of dog control is appropriate but there's room for debate on how much. Maybe every police officer doesn't need a police dog. Maybe some people are responsible enough to have a dog just for fun.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 287 by Thugpreacha, posted 09-29-2018 11:42 AM Thugpreacha has not yet responded

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2019