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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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I am quite tired of the whole canard about Switzerland and it's gun laws. Yes Switzerland has high gun ownership, but they have strict laws on that ownership. Here are some examples. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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Another gun nut argument that is pernicious but very east to destroy.
If we based our society on the premise that is the basis of the ‘Criminals don’t follow laws’ and ‘Gun Control only hurts law-abiding citizens’ argument against gun control, then why have any laws at all. I truly wonder about the morality of people that follow this line of thinking. quote: http://www.armedwithreason.com/...gument-against-gun-control http://www.armedwithreason.com/...als-respond-to-gun-control I know the gun nuts don't care and will not take them to read, but both these articles have numerous links to hard data and actual studies. Something gun nuts never seem to provide. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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Kind of telling that you do not provide a source. CDC reports on guns make no mention of gangs. Hmm, care to actually support this claim.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
His post is a classic example of my signature line. Fits the vast majority of fundies, wingnuts and ammosexuals we see on this site.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Seems people are forgetting the % part.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
The Ed Chenel thing has been going on and been debunked since at least 2001. You will not be able to find any sources to verify the data because it is not factual.
Ed Chenel is not a real person. https://www.truthorfiction.com/...-led-to-higher-crime-rates https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/ Edited by Theodoric, : Url Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Ypu presented it as factual. I showed how it was a lie. You might want to look at current Australian crime figures. Robberies started dropping in 2001 and were below preban level by 2004 and have continued to drop ever since.
Here are all the official crime stats. Evidently you are incapable of doing your own research. Here they are prove me wrong. http://www.abs.gov.au/...017-18~Main%20Features~Australia~23 http://www.abs.gov.au/...0lower%20than%20a%20decade%20ago%20(Media%20Release)~1 Is Australia lying? Edited by Admin, : Fix link. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Then again you have no evidence that this is true do you?
We believe in factual data. If you can provide a source that provides data that affirms this we will believe it. Alas, you cannot do this can you? Edited by Theodoric, : Extra words Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Slavery as a legal institution is archaic. It is part of the US Constitution. Not allowing women and non property owners and non-whites to vote is archaic. Not directly electing Senators is archaic. Having the vice-President be the second place in the election for President is archaic. Allowing a Poll tax is archaic.
Need I continue? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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Your complete lack of understanding or humanity still amazes me. in the first statement you say it was not a judgement on their humanity and in the next you acknowledge they were property. I am sure you do not understand the utter depravity of that, but then again you never will. If there were a hell there would be a special place for the self righteous inhuman Christians like you. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
I have no doubt that that is true
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
No. Wrong. That is not a correction. That is a different and irrelevant, to Percy's statement, data point. Cars are likely to never be involved in a major accident, but we still legislate safety controls in case they are.
But we can not require gun owners to have liability insurance? Kind of hurting your own argument with that statement.
That your argument has no validity is shown by the continuing trotting out of this widely debunked and discredited argument. The gun laws in IL are not prohibitively restrictive. State lines do not stop guns. WI and IN have very lax gun laws. Comparing Chicago to New Hampshire is never a legitimate argument. https://www.npr.org/...hicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
As I said that statistic is irrelevant. Using this argument we should give every person even children guns and not regulate them at all because statistically even less of a % will be used to hurt anyone. The old canard that guns don't hurt anyone people do. Logically it is a stupid argument.
It is a stupid premise. An insurance policy does not protect your from things happening. It reimburses you for the financial cost. In no way is that similar to using a gun.
No I did not make that argument. It takes some severe manipulation of facts and reality to get to that conclusion. Here are two articles filled with original source material that I am sure you will not even bother to consider. http://www.armedwithreason.com/...gument-against-gun-control http://www.armedwithreason.com/...als-respond-to-gun-control Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Very good point. For the majority of people insurance has an extreme cost. The cost of insurance though, is not death. It is just financial. If the cost of using a gun was just financial people would not have a problem with it. Alas, the potential cost of a gun is death, most of the time that cost is paid by the user or a family member.
That gun ownership = insurance is a ridiculous argument. There is nothing analogous about them at all. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7307 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
That is the fallacious argument discussed in the websites I posted that Hyro dismissed out of hand. quote: http://www.armedwithreason.com/...gument-against-gun-control Edited by Theodoric, : Clarification Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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