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Straggler
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Message 459 of 848 (841981)
10-24-2018 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by ICANT
10-24-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
You sound like an absolute menace to society. One mistake on your part in identifying a weapon and your reflexes kick into action to blow someone’s brains out. You guys are just bonkers.

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Message 466 of 848 (841990)
10-25-2018 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 464 by ICANT
10-24-2018 9:29 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Yes. One error of judgement on your part and it’s head blowing time.

That qualifies you as a menace.


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Straggler
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Message 469 of 848 (841994)
10-25-2018 4:55 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by Hyroglyphx
10-24-2018 9:28 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
LOL, so???? How is that an argument against guns? All that means is that in the absence of guns, determined suicidal people find other ways of killing themselves. That would literally be like finding the nation with the highest rate of suicide by overdose and then complaining about the evils of modern medicine. Ludicrous argument.

I’m sure this was repeatedly tackled in one of the other gun control threads?

Anyway - The mistake you are making is to assume that suicidal people are determined to commit suicide. It turns out that a lot of suicdal tendencies are fairly fleeting and impulsive and that simply making it more difficult can have a significant effect. Using a modern medicine example:

quote:
This week Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel wrote a persuasive column in the New York Times laying out a strategy for reducing suicides. He suggests that by simply changing the way we package medication, as Britain has done, we could sharply reduce the number of people who take fatal doses of medicine. Emanuel, the brother of the Mayor of Chicago and a physician who comments frequently on health policy, notes that every year one million people attempt suicide, more than 38,000 succeed.
It turns out that suicides and poisonings from medication have been steadily climbing since 1999. He says that “a good way to kill yourself is by overdosing on Tylenol and other pills”. Emanuel argues that if we make it hard to buy pills in bottles of 50 or 100 capsules that can easily be dumped out and swallowed, we can prevent many deaths. If pills were packaged in blister packs of 16 to 25, anyone who wanted to use them to commit suicide would have to work really hard. The fact is that suicides occur all too often when a person is at a particularly low moment. Research shows that if the opportunity to take pills – or use a firearm – is effectively diminished – often the moment passes and the person lives. Emanuel cites very persuasive data from Britain. In 1998, Britain changed packaging for the active ingredient in Tylenol, acetaminophen, requiring blister packaging of 16 pills when sold over the counter in places like convenience stores and for packages of 32 pills in pharmacies. The result, published in an Oxford University study, showed that over 11 years or so, suicide from Tylenol overdoses declined by 43%.

So you have a fleeting suicidal impulse and a gun - Result, brains on floor dead.

So you have a fleeting sucidal impulse and no obvious or easy/spontaneous way to fulfil it - Result, think twice while you ponder how best to end it all and live.

That, I believe, is what Percy is getting at here.


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Straggler
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Message 478 of 848 (842017)
10-25-2018 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 471 by ICANT
10-25-2018 10:06 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
So you are incapable of any error of judgement? Unbelievable.

Robopops it is......

Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.


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Message 482 of 848 (842022)
10-25-2018 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by ICANT
10-25-2018 2:42 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Actually Robocop made mistakes

I guess that if it was Robocop Vs Robopops you’d win then. Well done.


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Message 502 of 848 (842057)
10-26-2018 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by ICANT
10-25-2018 10:47 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
The level of unwavering expertise, competence and infallibility you attribute to yourself is so laughably fantastical that nobody should take it seriously. If what you say is true it would literally put you in the superhero league.

Move over James Bond. Take that Jason Bourne. Take a hike Jack Bauer. Get outta my way Deadshot. Put yer poncho back on man-with-no-name. Step aside Robocop.

Nobody this delusional about their own abilities should be allowed to walk round in possession of a deadly weapon.


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Message 540 of 848 (842402)
10-30-2018 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by ICANT
10-30-2018 7:02 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Percy writes: True. Would that guns were regulated as tightly as motor vehicles.

ICANT writes:

Weapons have been around a lot longer than cars have.

I don’t understand your point here. Can you clarify?

Motor vehicles are tightly regulated on the basis that they are essential but potentially deadly. Should guns be at least as equally well regulated?


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Message 542 of 848 (842410)
10-31-2018 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 541 by ICANT
10-31-2018 3:16 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Seat belts, speed limits, insurance requirements, licensing, registration etc. Aren't restricted to the UK. You have these things in the US too. And the fact that some people break these laws is not an argument against them. They have had a significant effect on automobile safety.

So - I ask again - What would be the problem with guns being equally well regulated?


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Message 547 of 848 (842512)
11-02-2018 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by ICANT
11-02-2018 12:33 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
 Fix the humans and you will fix the problem

Humans are innately imperfect. Even the superhuman, ever vigilant honed to flawlessness, ICANT is only a mistake or mental breakdown away from his guns hurting himself or those he loves or just innocent strangers in the vicinity at the time. That's just a fact of the human condition. Nobody can guarantee 100% it won't be them.

Anyway- Autombile regulation has had a dramatic effect on road safety. Are you really going to dispute that?

So - Again - Why not regulate guns to the same extent as automobiles?


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Message 554 of 848 (842572)
11-03-2018 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 553 by jar
11-02-2018 8:20 PM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
It’s impressive you can still type whilst touching yourself in that way...

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Straggler
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Message 555 of 848 (842576)
11-03-2018 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 550 by ICANT
11-02-2018 4:57 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
I don’t know of any automobile that it is against the law to own

What are you talking about? There are tons of regulations and safety standards imposed by the NHTSA that all cars must pass before they can be shipped and sold in America.

As for the laws equivalence, I will simply refer you to Percy’s post Message 551

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Message 562 of 848 (842594)
11-03-2018 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by jar
11-03-2018 8:36 AM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
Oh c’mon - You’ve gotta admit that there is a certain (how can I phrase this?) “sensuality” in your descriptions of firearms and related paraphernalia that deserves to be mocked. I’m half expecting you to start your next post with something like “A gun should be treated like a beautiful woman....”

But we get it. You’ve got a hard-on for guns. Nice.

That’s a reason to continue advocating them. A shit reason. But ultimately probably the best you’ve got.


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Message 564 of 848 (842624)
11-04-2018 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by jar
11-03-2018 7:51 PM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
Today I shall be packing a personal favourite of mine.

It’s lightweight ergonomic design fits perfectly both into the palm of my hand and the bespoke pearl encrusted holster I have recently had commissioned. In the holster it’s light but reassuring presence on my hip is a source of considerable satisfaction. Even when my hands are moist with perspiration, as often happens to me when handling this particular gem of a firearm, the grip is sure and firm. I sometimes use two hands when firing off for the extra feel and accuracy. The double action cocking (oooh...) device provides a smooth and consistent action with just the right amount of pressure required. In terms of pure unadulterated pleasure combined with all the functionality you will ever need I can’t recommend this piece enough.

Enjoy.

https://goo.gl/images/vkLWDx

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