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xongsmith
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Message 149 of 909 (830419)
03-28-2018 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by ringo
03-28-2018 3:14 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Ringo writes:
if "militia" means everybody then everybody is entitled to military weapons

However, a well-regulated militia certainly does not mean to be including every militia. Therefore, not everybody is entitled to them.


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Message 203 of 909 (831691)
04-23-2018 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Coragyps
04-22-2018 7:05 PM


Re: Shooters Get Too Much Media Attention
Coragyps adds:|

"but the police gave it back to his dad, who gave it back to him"

it seems that would make him an accomplice who should be charged as well.

Edited by xongsmith, : fix grammar

Edited by xongsmith, : No reason given.


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Message 223 of 909 (832512)
05-04-2018 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Rrhain
05-04-2018 7:30 PM


Re: Shooters Get Too Much MediReinkinga Attention
Rrhain notes again
And thus, we're back to my original point: Reinking's father could face charges. There is a reasonable case to be made.....

Right. As I also alluded to in Message 203


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Message 880 of 909 (886253)
05-12-2021 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 878 by DrJones*
05-11-2021 11:07 PM


Re: Big Guns
DrJones writes:
When we debate creationists like Phat and Faith we bemoan how they don't actually use facts in their "arguments" I'd like to see facts used in the gun debate.

but DWise presented some facts:

In the MKS system (meter-kilogram-second) K is measured in joules:
          1 joule = 1 kg·m2·sec-2

To calculate and compare the K of different firearms, you need to know two properties: muzzle velocity and mass of the projectile. Here are a few examples (using MKS):


  • Walther PPK ("Polizeipistole, Kriminal", police detective pistol made popular by James Bond)

    Muzzle velocity -- 970 fps (295.656 mps)
    Ammo (mass of projectile) -- 9x17mm (6.18 g = 0.00618 kg)
    K = 0.00618 kg × (295.656 mps)2 = 540.2 joules

  • Beretta M9 (adopted by US military)

    Muzzle velocity -- 1155 fps (352.044 mps)
    Ammo (mass of projectile) -- 9x19mm (7.49 g = 0.00749 kg)
    K = 0.00749 kg × (352.044 mps)2 = 928.273 joules

  • M16A1

    Muzzle velocity -- 3280 fps (999.744 mps)
    Ammo (mass of projectile) -- 5.56x45mm (3.65 g = 0.00365 kg)
    K = 0.00365 kg × (999.744 mps)2 = 3648.13 joules

  • AR 15

    Muzzle velocity -- 2700 fps (822.96 mps)
    Ammo (mass of projectile) -- 5.56x45mm (3.65 g = 0.00365 kg)
    K = 0.00365 kg × (822.96 mps)2 = 2472 joules

Even though the AR 15's slugs are about half the mass of the sidearms' slugs, the kinetic energy they impart is about 3 times greater because of their much higher velocity; ideally, with slugs of the same mass when you triple their velocity you increase their kinetic energy by a factor of nine.

those look like FACTS. What do you want to see?

The point is, all this talk of 9mm and muzzle velocity may be interesting but none of that matters. The point is, all this talk of 9mm and muzzle velocity may be interesting but none of that matters. You get hit by a bullet fired from any gun and you're liable to be just as dead.

WTF are AZPaul & you talking about? They had to shoot that kid 10 times in the back to kill him. And if there had been one righteous and judicious body tackle of the officer from fellow officers at shot 3 and he'd still be alive. But in the AR-15 style, just ONE bullet would have killed him.

Edited by xongsmith, : forgot some text


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Message 882 of 909 (886255)
05-12-2021 2:25 AM
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05-12-2021 1:14 AM


Re: Big Guns
we seem to have banned hand grenades from class rooms, and machine guns, cannons, missiles. so yeah - the long march is to reeducate people from wanting guns to not wanting them. but that is a long ways away. lets ban the assault weapons like 1994-2004 again.


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Message 892 of 909 (886267)
05-12-2021 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 890 by Phat
05-12-2021 10:36 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
Phat writes:
Perhaps, but we cant simply have 51% of the people voting in laws that 100% are required to follow.

So you do NOT believe in Democracy? what about 54%? 60%? 99%?

49% of us do not believe that white Christians were the problem that reparations and rewriting History are supposed to help solve.

talk about white privilege running amok!

Yes, Phat - white christians ARE the problem. Especially male white Christians. although Saracuda, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are making big headway into that male dominant field.


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xongsmith
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Message 899 of 909 (886281)
05-13-2021 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 897 by Phat
05-13-2021 8:49 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
Phat asks"
So which cultural group are we replacing them with in the social hierarchy? Are there any worthy enough? Who gets to run the planet next? What qualifications do they have?

how about none of the above! not anarchy, although that has a certain romanticized attraction.

i'd like to see an amalgam of everybody with equal powers and representation. impossible at the moment, but worth striving for.


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