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NoNukes
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Message 4 of 848 (823807)
11-17-2017 10:45 AM
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11-17-2017 10:05 AM


Re: Supply & Demand
I'm wondering what would happen with these existing guns....would the law of supply and demand make them more expensive?

Yes, it would. In fact, we have examples of that now. The banning of sales of assault rifles has made the ones currently in circulation very expensive.

Banning guns, if that were even possible, would over time reduce the number of guns around. Arguments that we cannot get rid of all of them are not really reasons to get rid of none of them.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 9 of 848 (828245)
02-14-2018 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Percy
02-14-2018 8:36 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
'There are really no words': 17 dead in Florida high school shooting; former student in custody

How long before we hear that the only way to stop a bad student with a gun is for the good students to start carrying.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 17 of 848 (828277)
02-15-2018 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
02-15-2018 1:39 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
duplicate

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 19 of 848 (828283)
02-15-2018 2:50 PM
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02-15-2018 1:39 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
So making the gun free zone would do nothing but legally hamper police from responding. How would such a zone be enforced?

That's right, Phat. Gun free zones target police, so that they cannot bring guns into the zone. Gun free zones, if we let you tell it, are law-free zones which the police cannot enter.

How would such a zone be enforced?

By arresting gun toters when they carry into those areas? By self-enforcement by folks who respect the law? Perhaps folks like retired policeman Curtis Reeves would not have shot a man and his wife for throwing popcorn on him if he did not have a gun.

Of course, no solution is perfect, but I cannot imagine that having more folks in the movie theatre with guns would have been all that helpful in the Reeves case.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 22 of 848 (828292)
02-15-2018 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Diomedes
02-15-2018 2:56 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
Throwing more guns at this problem is not the solution. One of the things I stated before is that the mindset here in America seems to be the ultimate culprit.

I agree. Here is an example of that mindset.

http://abcnews.go.com/...ting-plunges-city-mourning-53101623

quote:
An orphaned 19-year-old who participated in paramilitary drills with a white nationalist group was charged with murder Thursday in the deaths of 17 people who were fatally shot at a huge Florida high school in the nation's deadliest school attack in five years.

Nikolas Cruz legally purchased the AR-15 rifle used in the assault at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press.

As the criminal case against the suspect took shape, the leader of a white nationalist militia called the Republic of Florida said Cruz was a member of his group and participated in exercises in Tallahassee.

Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press that he had only a brief interaction a few years ago with Cruz, who came across as "a normal Florida white guy."

The group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. Jereb said his organization holds "spontaneous random demonstrations" and tries not to participate in the modern world.


That's right. A group that wants Florida as "its own white ethno-state" thinks that the shooter is "a normal Florida white guy".

I don't know how easy it is to change this mindset. But that is at the core of why it is so difficult to get any traction on changes.

Something close to impossible.

Link added by edit.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 24 of 848 (828311)
02-15-2018 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
02-15-2018 4:00 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
claims that the majority of places targeted for this kind of attack have been gun-free zones

Is this claim even true? There really aren't lots of gun-free zones around. Schools are targetted, yes, but the vast majority of the perps in those incidents have been other school children. I suspect that the particular targets in those cases are the student's classmates. Mass shootings in non-school places almost invariably seem to occur in places with lax gun laws.

Absent some evidence to the contrary, I'd have to call BS on this claim. At best the evidence would support having some law enforcement presence in a school. Heck, just a metal detector would be a substantial deterrent.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 25 of 848 (828312)
02-15-2018 6:12 PM


Trump is better than Obama in this regard...
I think most lefties would agree with this. Obama as president was a great marketing tool for selling guns. I remember that during Obama's presidency, folks were actually stockpiling guns in hidden weapons caches out of fear fo the day that the feds came around to take their weapons. There were stories about folks buying guns, putting them in some kind of heavy oil and then burying them in pits.

Now that Trump is president, gun sales are way down. Apparently, folks feel that that humongous pile of weapons they bought over the last eight years is enough for now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...y-amid-declining-gun-sales

quote:
President Trump’s upset over Clinton seems to have helped reverse all that. Fears of a crackdown have tapered off under a president who called himself a “true friend” of the National Rifle Association. And so have gun sales.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...s-obama-20180214-story.html

quote:
One day last fall, I went to shoot at a different gun range. And there on the counter was a flier with a scary photo of Hillary Clinton, informing patrons that if elected, she would trample on their Second Amendment rights. Shortly after the election, I got a letter from the NRA declaring grimly, “Our worst nightmare is staring us right in the face.” Obviously the mailing was done on the assumption that Clinton would win and that hysteria was still a sound operating plan.

It worked for the NRA and its allies for a long time, so they did their best to sustain it. Under Obama, gun production and sales doubled, and gun makers saw their stock prices soar. There were times when it was almost impossible to find certain types of ammunition because so many people were stocking up for Armageddon.

But those days are past. When gunmaker Remington said Tuesday it will file for bankruptcy, it confirmed that you can only cry wolf so many times before people realize that’s a golden retriever. Other makers of guns and ammunition have had to lay off workers.


Perhaps we should admit that electing Republicans as president actually makes peoples homes a bit safer and free from unnecessary weapons.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


  
NoNukes
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Message 27 of 848 (828321)
02-15-2018 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
02-15-2018 6:59 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
It's certainly got to be true, whether or not gun free zones are particularly targeted, that the victims would be sitting ducks and might have a chance if there was a concealed carry in the audience.

A bit earlier I described a different theatre story involving a retired police officer in a theatre that was not gun free zone. Curtis Reeves shot a man for throwing popcorn on him. I wonder if more guns would have helped there.

It is simply not true that more guns will help.

I remember when it was a big topic about the theater shooting, since the theater was in a gun-free zone.

I don't doubt that people make the claim and even write articles about that. But I don't believe the claim is true. I am aware that people think it is true.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 31 of 848 (828348)
02-16-2018 10:11 AM


Trump responding to shootings in Florida...
Trump tweeting his words of wisdom.

quote:
So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!

That's great insight Mr. President. The problem is that people did report this mentally disturbed person. In fact, he even caught the attention of the FBI. It did not do a bit of good.

Emphasis added by me.

http://nymag.com/...r-didnt-keep-him-from-getting-a-gun.html

quote:
After repeated suspensions, Cruz was expelled for unspecified “disciplinary reasons,” said to involve fighting and bringing bullets to school in his backpack. Math teacher Jim Gard recalled that administrators sent an email warning teachers about Cruz.

“We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” Gard told the Miami Herald. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.”

Even the FBI investigated what now appears to be an early warning of the violence to come. Last fall, a YouTube user with the name “nikolas cruz” left a comment on a video posted by Mississippi bail bondsman Ben Bennight: “Im going to be a professional school shooter.” Bennight found the comment so disturbing that in addition to flagging it for removal by YouTube, he took a screenshot and tried to email it to the FBI. When it bounced back, he called the local FBI field office.


quote:
Though plenty of people raised alarms with school officials, police, and federal agents, he had no criminal record, and no record of mental illness that would prevent him from purchasing a gun. Under federal law, someone can be put in to the background-check database if they’ve been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital, or if a government body has declared them mentally incompetent.

Absolutely nothing will be done about any of this. Democrats will make some noise, Republicans will tell them that it is the wrong time to talk about gun control. As if there is ever a right time. And in a few weeks something worse will happen.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


  
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Message 36 of 848 (828359)
02-16-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
02-16-2018 12:28 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
he civilian militia is made up of every person 18 and older. That even includes 22 million former military people that are trained.

That has not been true for quite a long time. The Constitution defines what the militia is, and as we have discussed here before, federal statute further defines the current militia. The closest thing to a militia that currently exists in most states is the National Guard. A few states have some additional bodies that meet the constitutional requirements.

No, the Militia is not you and the Yancy Street irregulars, despite your desire and willingness to take on federal troops with your collection of pea shooters. It is not 1812 anymore.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 42 of 848 (828462)
02-18-2018 2:59 PM


High school student's reaction to Florida Shooting
I am totally blown away by the stories about the high school students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. A number of students have spoken quite eloquently about their governments lack action other than lip service on the issue of school shootings.

Apparently, these kids were not impressed by Trump's "Thumbs UP" photo op, and are expecting, and even demanding that real actions are taken.

http://abcnews.go.com/...ounce-march-washington-demand/story

quote:
Teen survivors of the school shooting massacre in Florida last week are calling for a march on Washington to demand action on gun control.

Student organizers of the protest told ABC News' "This Week" Co-Anchor Martha Raddatz on Sunday that they are determined to use protests and political action to make the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, a turning point in the national debate over gun control.


If the students can pull this off, I am going to try my best to participate.

quote:
“People keep asking us, 'What about the Stoneman Douglas shooting is going to be different, because this has happened before and change hasn't come?'” Cameron Kasky, an 11th-grader told Raddatz. “This is it.”

“People are saying that it’s not time to talk about gun control. And we can respect that,” Kasky added. “Here’s a time. March 24th in every single city. We are going to be marching together as students begging for our lives.”


Clearly, these young men and women have been paying attention. Who is down?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 46 of 848 (828563)
02-21-2018 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Percy
02-21-2018 7:55 AM


Re: Psychiatrist Agrees Mass Murderers Can't Be Pre-Detected
Bottom line: Republican claims about beefing up the mental health care system is a smokescreen for doing nothing about guns.

I would actually tolerate those claims if the sentiment expressed was followed up by actually beefing up the mental health care system. But what credibility do the Republicans have on health care of any kind? The only issue that seems to motivate our Republicans in Congress is ensuring that the mentally ill are not separated from firearms before they kill someone.

If "smokescreen" is actually a euphemism for saying meaningless deflecting drivel while doing the will of the gun manufacturing lobby while reserving your own ring in Dante's Inferno, then I totally agree with you. "Smoke" is probably far too mild.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 47 of 848 (828591)
02-21-2018 1:22 PM


Wingnut's attack Florida High School Students
Some right winger's do not believe that the high school students are sincere in their reaction to their friends being killed and are pushing a conspiracy theory that the kids are being used by left-wing radicals.

Among those pushing this "theory" is Former Congress Jack Kingston from Georgia who believes that Soros has riled up these kids. In an interview with CNN, Kingston expresses skepticism that 17 and 18-year-old teens are capable of chartering a bus to a scheduled meeting or that their peers in other states are capable of showing solidarity and scheduling protests of their own.

Kingston on Twitter:

https://thinkprogress.org/...-parkland-massacre-a6edb79aa801

quote:
O really? “Students” are planning a nationwide rally? Not left wing gun control activists using 17yr kids in the wake of a horrible tragedy?

During the CNN interview, Kingston claimed that these kids are being hijacked by Soros, Antifa, and the DNC. He doubts that the kids have "the money for the bus" to take a trip to watch the legislature as they did yesterday. (I remember as a teen playing hooky from school one day and taking a trip to the Georgia capital house. The round trip cost about the same as my lunch money. Yeah, I was a nerd...)

Apparently, wing-nut politicians cannot believe in a protest that is not orchestrated at a grassroots level, because that is not the way they would do it.

Here are some even more outlandish wingnut theories.

https://www.cnn.com/...lorida-lawmaker-aide-fired/index.html

quote:
An aide to Florida state Rep. Shawn Harrison (R) on Tuesday dismissed a pair of outspoken Parkland students as attention-seeking “actors.”

“Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen,” the unnamed aide told Tampa Bay Times reporter Alex Leary.


The aide (Benjamin Kelly) was fired after making these comments, here is his explanation for those preposterous comments.

quote:
Kelly posted about it on a Twitter account that is no longer available to the public: "I've been terminated from the State House. I made a mistake whereas I tried to inform a reporter of information relating to his story regarding a school shooting. This was not my responsibility. I meant no disrespect to the students or parents of Parkland.

Harrison and the Florida House speaker have terminated Kelly's employment and have denounced his comments in very strong terms.

A little more wingnut conspiracy stuff before I go back to writing some code...

quote:
Hogg, who has been interviewed numerous times by national networks, has been a particular target of critics as the students' gun-control efforts have gained traction. He has proved to be cool in stressful situations, even interviewing fellow students with his phone during the shooting as the gunman roamed the halls.

"I'm not a crisis actor," Hogg told CNN's Anderson Cooper on AC360. "I'm someone who had to witness this and live through this, and I continue to be having to do that.

"I'm not acting on anybody's behalf," he said.

Conspiracy theorists, however, see a plot afoot in the fact that Hogg's father has retired from the FBI, which has come under attack by pro-Trump outlets for its role in the Russia investigation.


And from Info Wars, and the winger Alex Jones...

quote:
Infowars, which is headed by conspiracy king Alex Jones and has claimed the Sandy Hook massacre was staged, notes that Hogg has become an "overnight celebrity." Infowars quotes a former Navy SEAL as saying it is "very significant" that Hogg's father once worked for the FBI, since the bureau, he says, has been hiring "SJWs" for years — a reference to "Social Justice Warriors."

For what it is worth, Hogg is very polished. However, he comes by that polish very honestly. Hogg is news director of the school TV station. He should be applauded for the abilities he has gained and not denigrated for them.

Unfortunately, EvC's own wingnuts don't post here very often anymore, so we don't get often get to hear them bashing regular news outlet and reminding us that their "alternative sources" are the only truthful ones. That's right, the same sources that let us know that the Sandy Hook massacre was a false flag operation and that Hilary was running a child sex club out of a DC pizzeria are the only sources we should trust.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 87 of 848 (828732)
02-23-2018 3:23 AM


America's solution to school shootings
Well, it looks like after a couple of days of waffling, the president has decided to turn over the problem of school shootings to the gun manufacturer's lobby. The president has decided to back off of the weak steps he was taking earlier during the week, (tightening background checks, curbing sales of bump stocks) and has put his support behind getting weapons into school.

Great. Problem solved. We will have more weapons than ever. I imagine the gun manufacturers are slobbering like one of Pavlov's dogs about the potential for lucrative gun contracts to supply guns to every school in America.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


  
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Message 93 of 848 (828753)
02-23-2018 3:27 PM


Heated Comments
As is the case in the real worlds, discussion regarding gun laws always provides us the opportunity to ramp up the rhetoric. Certainly, I am not the voice of reason when it comes to maintaining civility on the internet.

Yesterday I listened to NRA spokes rifle,Wayne LaPierre telli folks that people on the other side of the debate don't care about school shootings are the young people who got shot. According to Wayne, even your local law enforcement folks don't care about school children. Well given that the most prominent speakers right now are the survivors of school shootings, surely those accusations are not accurate. They are examples of the BS that passes for discourse over this issue.

In the interest of fairness, I probably would post a left mischaracterization of the right wing's position. While I acknowledge that those things exist, I am not going to point them out. If you've got them, post them.

Nevertheless I was pleased that one of our more conservative members did respond. That point of view is missing here. What is still missing is a quality conservative response. Let's not make the mistake of assuming that just because somebody posts weak assed comments in EvC and gets rebutted, that anyone one has won anything substantial.

If you're passionate about the issue, and lots of you are, and you are an American, then please get off your posterior and do something. Don't let a bunch of 17-18 year old kids carry the ball by themselves. That would be an ultimate betrayal. And don't count on the DNC to help you. They are scared that you will energize the Republican base. Find out who is on the right side of this issue in your town, and participate. I am guessing that there are plenty of right minded, newly energized folk around you that are just as eager as you are -- even if you live in gun infested central Carolina.

Find somebody doing something positive and join them. I know you will get a t-shirt out of it.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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