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Tangle
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Message 38 of 834 (828363)
02-16-2018 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
02-16-2018 12:28 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
ICANT writes:

I raised 2 sons in a house where every gun in the house was loaded at all times.

You obviously have no idea how bizarre, dangerous and really, really stupid that sounds to almost everyone else in the rest of the developed world.

And Christians with guns is even weirder. If that's possible. WWJD?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 86 of 834 (828731)
02-23-2018 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
02-22-2018 6:48 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
Faith writes:

Europe has Muslims, we have lone crazed shooters.


You're a really stunning advert for Christianity Faith, all tolereance, wisdom and love. It just shines right through you.

But just as a point of fact, you have both Muslins AND guns.

I think they were stupid to get rid of their guns.

Have you ever been to Europe? Do you own a passport?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 140 of 834 (830359)
03-27-2018 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ringo
03-27-2018 1:22 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
ringo writes:

But as long as the 2nd Amendment is interpreted as applying to everybody, it makes sense to let everybody have military-type weapons - i.e. assault rifles.

I guess 'makes sense' means something different in the US. Something like 'makes no sense'.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 150 of 834 (830420)
03-28-2018 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Modulous
03-28-2018 5:23 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Modulous writes:

People have made the argument [...]

People make all sorts of totally dumb arguments - and this is one - it obviously doesn't mean that it's a reasonable or winning argument or one that should be listened to.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 199 of 834 (831183)
04-13-2018 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Thugpreacha
04-13-2018 5:04 PM


Re: This from NPR:
quote:
Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38365729

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 238 of 834 (840222)
09-25-2018 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ringo
09-25-2018 3:23 PM


Re: Guns are too dangerous to be widely owned
Walls can sort out pretty much any problem. Just ask a Berliner.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 279 of 834 (840406)
09-29-2018 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by Thugpreacha
09-29-2018 2:48 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:

Looks as if jar won't discuss his personal feelings on why he should be allowed these rights.

He has told us why, apparently it's 'because he wants to.' And he justifies what he does by saying that it is legal for him to do it.

His real motivation obviously isn't simply self-defence, he doesn't need all that gear just for that. It presumably makes him feel big, strong and macho carrying all that crap around with him on full display.

To European eyes, it's all utterly bizarre, stupidly dangerous and socially irresponsible.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 284 of 834 (840415)
09-29-2018 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by jar
09-29-2018 9:34 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Jar writes:

Honestly, the reality is that almost no one even notices that I am carrying a handgun.

Two wasn't it? In 'open carry' or whatever the bloody phrase is.

Almost no one notices? Like no one notices a personal number plate, red lipstick or a Gucci handbag. Being noticed is really the point isn't it?

Fortunately I am NOT in Europe.

If you were in the UK you'd be surrounded by armed police in seconds and spending a few years in jail. That is if you managed to evade the teenagers that would jump you to get their hands on an easy gun - or too. And a year's worth of bullets.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 298 of 834 (840440)
09-29-2018 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by jar
09-29-2018 11:47 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Jar writes:

Backup handguns like most of the knives I carry would most often be concealed so generally not seen.

You carry a gun, a backup gun AND knives? You can't make your mind up whether you want to be Dirty Harry or Crocodile Dundee can you?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 313 of 834 (840457)
09-30-2018 1:45 PM


I had to nip out to the supermarket this evening so I grabbed my wallet, phone, car keys and a bag and left. When I got there I looked for the stuff I needed, paid and came home.

I tried to imagine Jar's journey.

Open gun safe, select favourite weapons for the evening, load both, check safety. Select spare ammo and clips and stash. Strap on holsters, load up, check secure. Which dagger for Walmart? Maybe the stilletto, slip it into sock. Glance in mirror, mutter 'I'll be back' and swagger out of the house having set the intruder alarms.

Got to be careful now, everyone is a potential threat. Check out the young guy near the beans, he's looking dodgy. Pat the 45, just to check it's ready. Check lines of sight, don't get stuck with no escape route. The till area is particularly dangerous; no free hand when handling wallet and only way out is forward, need to get through there quickly. Don't forget the boy behind you.

Car park looks clear, head to the car keeping close to parked cars, avoiding open areas as much as possible. Nothing to be done about a sniper on the roof to the right but why make it easier than it has to be? Check under car for magnetic device then drive out keeping an eye in the mirror for anyone following.

Everything looks normal from the drive but you never can tell; patrol the perimeter and cautiously enter home from rear using remote to turn off alarm. Lock all four deadlocks. And relax. Pizza for dinner.

Must be bloody exhausting.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 325 of 834 (840482)
09-30-2018 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by ringo
09-30-2018 2:23 PM


Jar writes:

I don't think a couple of weapons would add much proportionately to the ritual.

Ah but you're forgetting the eternial vigilence. You never know when you'll be needed or a target.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 327 of 834 (840485)
09-30-2018 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by ringo
09-30-2018 5:24 PM


Jar writes:

I doubt if jar is that much more vigilant than I am.

Of course he is, he's got a OO licence.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 329 of 834 (840488)
09-30-2018 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 328 by jar
09-30-2018 5:28 PM


Sorry, didn't mean to blow your cover.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 337 of 834 (840504)
10-01-2018 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by ICANT
10-01-2018 1:11 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
'Christians' with guns, go tell that story to Jesus...

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 346 of 834 (840552)
10-02-2018 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 345 by ICANT
10-02-2018 1:34 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away!

ICANT writes:

So what's your point?

My point is that if you think that Jesus would approve of you and Jar strutting around carrying guns and knives you're corrupting everything he's supposed to stand for.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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