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Author Topic:   REMIX: Who Can Be Saved?
Faith 
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Message 21 of 138 (835500)
06-23-2018 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Tangle
06-23-2018 5:45 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
Why is it that you Christians are forever forecasting an apocalypse? Why the pessimism?

Because of biblical prophecy of God's judgment coming against the whole planet at the end of time, and these days it looks like it's getting closer by the minute if you know what to look for. Christians do often make the mistake of predicting the time, and that should never be done, but it does look like it's getting closer by the minute.

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Message 23 of 138 (835528)
06-24-2018 9:56 AM
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06-24-2018 3:26 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
Things getting better is due to past blessings. Spiritual effects take a long time to run their course which is shown over and over in biblical history. What we see is the increase in hatred of God and His Law and the establishment of laws actually protecting violations of God's Law. The crunch could come all of a sudden.

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Message 59 of 138 (839190)
09-05-2018 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by jar
09-04-2018 6:26 PM


The Great Rescue
jar writes:

Nor is there any evidence that any God ever came and rescued us

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Col 1:12-13 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

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Message 66 of 138 (839213)
09-05-2018 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by jar
09-05-2018 5:46 AM


Re: The Great Rescue
All of them are about rescuing us from our fallen condition of spiritual darkness into the Kingdom of God and there are lots more verses about how the rescue is accomplished through His blood. May dig them up eventually.

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Message 70 of 138 (839222)
09-05-2018 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by ringo
09-05-2018 1:04 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

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Message 72 of 138 (839224)
09-05-2018 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by ringo
09-05-2018 1:32 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Yeah, well if you are just going to make the words mean what you want them to mean there's no answer to you, is there? The one man is clearly presented as a historical personage which tells us that the passage in Genesis is historical and not a metaphor.

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Message 74 of 138 (839271)
09-05-2018 5:18 PM
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09-05-2018 1:46 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Both a talking snake and a talking donkey in scripture though. Nothing is impossible with God. The man is a man and the story in Eden is historical.

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Message 76 of 138 (839273)
09-05-2018 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by ringo
09-05-2018 5:42 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
I believe I said the Romans quote was presented as history, a straight statement about the man who disobeyed and the man who obeyed. Two real men.

However if you want to push me I'll say the account in Genesis is also presented as history, because it is.

Just because you believe it's impossible doesn't give you a right to force your view on me as the truth to which I am to bow.

AND it's science that says it's all impossible that is the fairy tale. Sorrry.

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Message 79 of 138 (839276)
09-05-2018 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ringo
09-05-2018 5:56 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
The snake talked. Get over it.

And this is all just a ridiculous distraction from the gospel fact I was trying to present. Adam the first man brought sin into the world, while Jesus the last man paid our sin debt so we can be restored to God's favor. Paul believed the Genesis account, so did Jesus, so did all who wrote books of the Bible, so do all believers in Christ.

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Message 81 of 138 (839278)
09-05-2018 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by ringo
09-05-2018 6:18 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
The....Snake....TALKED. Really really truly TALKED. It is history, not fiction.

Adam brought on the Fall from which we've suffered ever since. It's a reality, not a literary point. Jesus died on a real cross and bled real blood and died a real death from which He rose to real life, to save us from the real sin a real Adam brought into the real world.

Sorry your imagination is so cramped you can't recognize real reality.

And yes it's true that Jesus believed Genesis to be true truth and real reality, as did everybody else I mentioned.

What iis SO difficult about the idea of a supernatural reality anyway?

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Message 84 of 138 (839335)
09-06-2018 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by frako
09-06-2018 2:31 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Only ONE snake/serpent talked ever, that I know of, and it must have been a supernatural event of some sort, though I suppose it could have been a common enough phenomenon since Eve didn't freak out at it. It is just nonsense to claim the Bible says that "snakes" talk since it was that one and only time that a snake talked, and at the other end of the Bible it is revealed that the snake was in fact Satan, a fallen angel, and they DO talk.

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Message 87 of 138 (839341)
09-06-2018 6:15 PM
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09-06-2018 5:10 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Well, except that neither fallen nor upright angels are any more “real” than Angus Dumbledore or Aureliano Buendia. Fiction is fiction.

I know you're going to feel really bad when you recognize how wrong you've been about this, wish you could recognize it when it might still do you some good.


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Message 88 of 138 (839343)
09-06-2018 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ringo
09-06-2018 11:43 AM


Re: The Great Rescue
If there is such a thing as supernatural reality, it isn't history.

What utter nonsense. If Jesus is both man and God who died and came back to life that is supernatural and it is history.

The miracles of the Bible are all supernatural realities that occurred in history.

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Message 91 of 138 (839347)
09-06-2018 8:11 PM
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09-06-2018 6:54 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
The funny thing is I have some evidence for my view, but there isn't any for yours.

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Faith 
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Message 93 of 138 (839353)
09-06-2018 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Coragyps
09-06-2018 10:02 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Well, there's the Bible. Doesn't matter what you think of it, it does testify to supernatural phenomena and has been accepted as the truth by millions over millennia. There is testimony in most cultures and religions around the world of encounters with supernatural beings. Many cultures and religions have elaborations of an afterlife, both paradises and hells. Buddhism and Hinduism do. Hades preexisted the English idea of Hell, and preexisted the Bible for that matter. Today there are "near-death" experiences" which I think are satanically engineered but they do testify of a spiritual life beyond the merely physical.

Your evidence is evidence of physical death, it shows nothing whatever about a supernatural or spiritual dimension in which the soul persists after physical death.

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