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Topic: REMIX: Who Can Be Saved?
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Phat
Member Posts: 15602 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 121 of 138 (842980)
11-11-2018 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by ringo
11-11-2018 2:26 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
| ringo writes: What would YOU be doing if Jesus was here? Would you be refusing to His face to do what He said? Would you say He was poisoned by left-wing propaganda (far, far left)? |
I would certainly be more impressed if He took a moment to point out what I could better be doing in my life rather than simply saying to read the book or listen to Ringo wax poetic about Matthew 25. I would anticipate a good discussion with Him. As for His political stance, I cant speculate.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo
Member Posts: 19226 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005 Member Rating: 3.8
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Message 122 of 138 (842984)
11-11-2018 2:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:28 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
| Phat writes: The Resurrection obviously had impact and value. |
Since it didn't happen, how could it have impact or value? | Phat writes: Jesus Death, Burial, and Resurrection were meaningful for society-at-large. |
The belief in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection has had an impact on society.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member Posts: 19226 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005 Member Rating: 3.8
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Message 123 of 138 (842986)
11-11-2018 2:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 121 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:31 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
| Phat writes: I would certainly be more impressed if He took a moment to point out what I could better be doing in my life.... |
Do you think He'd tell you something different than what He said 2000 years ago?
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat
Member Posts: 15602 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 124 of 138 (842988)
11-11-2018 2:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 123 by ringo
11-11-2018 2:44 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
Of course I do. That's why many lectures end with a Q & A session. People feel better being able to discuss specific situations with the author rather than simply be told to buy the book on the way out. You and I disagree with this one. You likely wouldn't spend any time talking with me...pointing to the message you wrote 2000 years ago and going off to do other things. The Jesus that I believe in would take the additional time to answer my questions, address my concerns, and clarify what His 2000-year-old message means for me today. Books often get revised. Messages ultimately come from human lips...they don't just appear in the sky. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo
Member Posts: 19226 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005 Member Rating: 3.8
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Message 125 of 138 (842989)
11-11-2018 2:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 124 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:48 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
| Phat writes: The Jesus that I believe in would take the additional time to answer my questions, address my concerns, and clarify what His 2000 year olfd message means for me today. |
Jesus did clarify the message for the Pharisees who made the same arguments that you make. There's no lack of clarity in the message. What's lacking is the will to embrace the message.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat
Member Posts: 15602 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 126 of 138 (842992)
11-11-2018 2:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by ringo
11-11-2018 2:51 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
| There's no lack of clarity in the message. What's lacking is the will to embrace the message. |
You honestly have no idea if I obey or ignore the message. Just because I like to argue does not mean I believe my own conclusions! 
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 127 by ringo, posted 11-11-2018 3:00 PM | | Phat has responded |
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ringo
Member Posts: 19226 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005 Member Rating: 3.8
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Message 127 of 138 (842995)
11-11-2018 3:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 126 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:57 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
| Phat writes: You honestly have no idea if I obey or ignore the message. |
You say that you reject the message. I can only take you at your word.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat
Member Posts: 15602 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 128 of 138 (842997)
11-11-2018 3:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 127 by ringo
11-11-2018 3:00 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
I love God. I love my neighbors. If I were guilty of anything, it would be in being selective over whom I help. If a guy comes in our store and steals a bunch of stuff and runs out, I certainly won't give him the same consideration for a handout that I give others whom I see struggling yet respecting society despite being down and out. To put this in perspective, on my drive o work I see several people whom I recognize on the street...some whom we have encountered in our store. Jesus message was for them to repent as much as it was about me helping the least of them. Again, I may be guilty of being partial to the non-thieves first. Stealing from the store is stealing from the employees. Ultimately, I am not their judge. You will tell me that Jesus expects me not to judge. But I do. Which is one thing I would ask Him to clarify for me in our Q & A. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo
Member Posts: 19226 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005 Member Rating: 3.8
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Message 129 of 138 (843003)
11-11-2018 3:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
11-11-2018 3:02 PM
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Re: The Great Rescue
| Phat writes: If I were guilty of anything, it would be in being selective over whom I help. |
In Luke 10, the priest and the Levite were selective about whom they helped. The Samaritan was not.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat
Member Posts: 15602 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 130 of 138 (861641)
08-24-2019 3:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Tangle
06-23-2018 5:45 PM
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Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
| Phat,to jar writes: Just agreeing on a global consensus for addressing global warming will require herculean sacrifice from every nation...be they spiritual or secular.
I predict that we will see some very challenging times--though I refuse to believe that we are facing the last days of humanity here on the planet. I will say that we could collectively become victims of a self-fulfilling prophecy if we fight amongst ourselves as to what everyone should believe. You have said before that Jesus was a failed Messiah, but the words that He said will be used to justify many actions by many people. Let's just hope that it all works out. It is ironic that the common dogma is fear of a unified one world government that is a secular humanist one and which minimizes the need for Jesus or religion in general. How ironic when, in fact, there will need to be a unified global consensus in order to deal with major problems. Whether or not this fulfills the prophetic interpretations of the apologists or becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy remains to be seen. |
| Tangle writes: Why is it that you Christians are forever forecasting an apocalypse? |
Because the book talks about one. I try and be realistic...which is kinda down the middle. Not too unreasonably optimistic yet not too pessimistic either.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~" If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle
Member Posts: 8200 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.6
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Message 131 of 138 (861642)
08-24-2019 3:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by Phat
08-24-2019 3:41 PM
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Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
| Phat writes: Because the book talks about one. |
It talks about a lot of stuff that you know is garbage. 'The end is nigh.' is just a lie you guys tell each other to keep yourselves frightened enough to believe the rest of it.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 5999 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 132 of 138 (861648)
08-24-2019 7:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by Tangle
08-24-2019 3:56 PM
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Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
| 'The end is nigh.' is just a lie you guys tell each other to keep yourselves frightened enough to believe the rest of it. |
Salesmanship 101 Convince the customer they have a need for your product. Can't sell eternal life without the threat of impending death. You know how to tell a salesman is lying? His lips are moving.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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jar
Member Posts: 33413 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 133 of 138 (861649)
08-24-2019 7:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 132 by AZPaul3
08-24-2019 7:00 PM
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Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
FUD Fear Uncertainty & Doubt IBM and NCR became world powers by selling FUD.
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Phat
Member Posts: 15602 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 134 of 138 (861658)
08-25-2019 3:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 131 by Tangle
08-24-2019 3:56 PM
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Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
I dont just talk about stuff and lie. | 'The end is nigh.' is just a lie you guys tell each other to keep yourselves frightened enough to believe the rest of it. |
If in fact I am lying at all, I am unaware of it.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~" If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle
Member Posts: 8200 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.6
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Message 135 of 138 (861659)
08-25-2019 3:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 134 by Phat
08-25-2019 3:11 AM
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Re: The Problem Of Evil..To Jar:
If the end not nigh, has never been nigh nor isn't going to be nigh until the sun burns out, why are you guys always fantasising about it? It's a lie. Stop doing it.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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