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Author Topic:   R.C.Sprouls Teaching On Reformed Theology
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Message 30 of 175 (824623)
12-01-2017 10:50 AM
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11-30-2017 5:48 PM


Re: God Character On Trial
Phat writes:

Tradition asserts that the grounds are Scripture alone and Faith alone.


Scripture is the message. It tells you what to do. It tells you that if you don't produce the fruit, you don't have faith. You need to have faith in the message.

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Message 38 of 175 (824690)
12-02-2017 11:32 AM
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12-02-2017 11:15 AM


Re: McGee on Free Will and the Doctrine of Election
Phat writes:

I am saying that they are more honest.(and humble)


Ever hear somebody say that such-and-such-an-actor is a really nice guy in person? Is he really a nice guy or is he just a good actor?

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Message 40 of 175 (824692)
12-02-2017 11:48 AM
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12-02-2017 11:40 AM


Re: Phil Johnson
Phil Johnson writes:

But the Internet makes it easy for like-minded but ignorant people to clump together and endlessly reinforce one another’s ignorance.


Sounds like creationism.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. They correct me when I'm close-but-not-quite.


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Message 62 of 175 (825015)
12-06-2017 2:23 PM
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12-06-2017 11:03 AM


Re: origins
Phat writes:

...but it may well point out the differences between a God of order and a God of random chaos.


Would you rather have a God who carelessly fires a shotgun out the window or a God who targets you specifically?

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Message 64 of 175 (825023)
12-06-2017 3:19 PM
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12-06-2017 3:03 PM


Re: Purposeful GOD versus Random Chaos
Phat writes:

the shotgun is a negative analogy.


They're both negative analogies - deliberately, because there doesn't seem to be a positive side to Sproul's theology.

Phat writes:

I would rather have a God who favors me rather than a random God who simply wound us all up and then left us to do as we wilted...


What you would rather have is not pertinent either to Sproul or to reality.

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Message 76 of 175 (825071)
12-07-2017 10:44 AM
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12-06-2017 4:01 PM


Re: Purposeful GOD versus Random Chaos
Phat writes:

ringo writes:

What you would rather have is not pertinent either to Sproul or to reality.


Not sure I agree.

Huh? How could your preference have any relation to Sproul's preference or my preference? How could your preference of ice cream be related to the topic?

I myself would "rather have" a God who comes when I call and otherwise leaves me alone - but if I don't get what I prefer, why should you?


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Message 79 of 175 (825078)
12-07-2017 11:58 AM
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12-07-2017 11:28 AM


Re: The School Of Hard Knox
Phat writes:

Some of us myself included have argued previously that persecution within Christianity was evidence that the cause was real.


The Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar are being persecuted by the Buddhist majority. So Islam is real and Buddhism is not?

Phat writes:

I mean, how many people would risk the loss of life, limb and property were they simply con artists?


Why do you always go to "con artists"? Can't people just be wrong?

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Message 107 of 175 (825729)
12-17-2017 2:01 PM
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12-17-2017 10:01 AM


Re: Is God Always Created By Humans? Implications....
Phat writes:

And if we were to honestly confront the storytellers of each era (through our magic time machine) and ask them to honestly admit that they were creating God, they would likely deny such an assertion...


If they were honest, they would at the very least have to acknowledge that they were embellishing. Otherwise, how do you account for the discrepancies?

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Message 109 of 175 (825747)
12-17-2017 2:39 PM
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12-17-2017 2:29 PM


Re: Is God Always Created By Humans? Implications....
Phat writes:

I would argue that they would say they were elaborating...and were sticking to the truth as they understood it. Perhaps exaggeration would be inevitable, but they would likely defend their integrity.


How do you account for the discrepancies?

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Message 111 of 175 (825837)
12-18-2017 10:58 AM
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12-18-2017 10:52 AM


Re: Is God Always Created By Humans? Implications....
Phat writes:

Human nature. Incorrect information. Perhaps even cultural bias.


So, in other words, there's no reason to think they knew what they were talking about, even if they BELIEVED they were telling The Truth™.

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Message 113 of 175 (825847)
12-18-2017 11:46 AM
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12-18-2017 11:39 AM


Re: Is God Always Created By Humans? Implications....
Phat writes:

It starts with belief. Not with evidence. Thats why you never became a believer. You started with evidence.


What about when the evidence goes against the belief?

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Message 116 of 175 (828068)
02-09-2018 11:39 AM
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02-08-2018 4:17 PM


Re: The Calvinists vs Joel Osteen
Phat writes:

... the traditional message regarding Christ.


The "traditional message" was as much about politics as it was about religion. The Church had a vested interest in a stable society, so "the responsibility of being a good and honest person and doing your best " was a message that made sense for them. It also gave the civil authorities an incentive to support the Church.

The Church told people they'd go to Hell if they weren't good citizens. Today we can see that being good citizens can have a good effect here on earth.

The outcome is the same. We're just being good for our own sake instead of for the Church's sake and the government's sake.


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Message 118 of 175 (828108)
02-10-2018 11:25 AM
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02-09-2018 12:30 PM


Re: The Calvinists vs Joel Osteen
Phat writes:

But what is the definition of a global consensus?


I can give you an example: There's a global consensus that killing people is a bad thing. Remember that consensus doesn't require unanimity; there may be dissenters.

But who said anything about a global consensus?


An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Message 123 of 175 (838871)
08-29-2018 12:49 PM
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08-29-2018 9:08 AM


Re: Who Do You Say That I am?
Phat writes:

So ringo, who was Jesus? Is he more than another in a long line of teachers? Why or why not?


In the story, some men would have said that Jesus was a preacher. Some men might have said that Jesus was the Messiah - and they would have been disappointed when He died without accomplishing anything that the Messiah was supposed to accomplish. Maybe a few men would have said that Jesus was the Son of God; no doubt many of them would have been disappointed too when He died.

Is there any reason to think He was was something other than another preacher? Is there any reason to think He existed at all?


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 126 of 175 (838886)
08-29-2018 2:20 PM
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08-29-2018 1:55 PM


Re: Who Do You Say That I am?
Faith writes:

It wasn't until the Holy Spirit came upon them at Pentecost that they understood that it had nothing to do with earthly liberation, but liberation from sin, a spiritual kingdom that is "not of this world."


That's a handy copout. When something isn't fulfilled you claim that the scriptures mean something completely different from what they say. "Ask and ye shall receive" might as well mean that you'll receive spiritual benefis after you die of starvation.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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