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Author Topic:   A Year In Intelligent Design
Phat
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Message 3 of 50 (826344)
12-29-2017 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
12-27-2017 11:02 AM


Pinkie And The Brain
Dr.A writes:

Here are their twenty-year goals:

* To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
* To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its influence in the fine arts.
* To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

Seems puzzling why they care so much that intelligent design should be the dominant perspective in science. Unless...they have an agenda!


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 28 of 50 (844539)
12-01-2018 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
12-27-2017 11:02 AM


Has 2018 seen any new developments?
Dr.A writes:

Here's the flagship journal of the wonderful new science of intelligent design. When it was launched in 2010 the Discovery Institute described it as "set to accelerate the pace and heighten the tone of the debate over intelligent design". In 2017 they've managed to produce two articles. Hooray! What a dizzyingly accelerated pace!
2018 will mark the twentieth anniversary of the Wedge Document. Here are their twenty-year goals:

* To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
* To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its influence in the fine arts.
* To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

I was curious if there has been any activity, research,or reason generated through the ID Community in 2018? If they generate so few articles yet seemingly go on the lecture circuit as pork n cheese brought to my attention in his new topic, I am naturally curious whether these scientists are simply in it for the money---earning a living through lecturing favorable creationist leaning audiences at churches and Christian schools?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 33 of 50 (844596)
12-02-2018 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tanypteryx
12-02-2018 2:35 PM


Creation Science vs Regular Science
isn't there only really one way to do science whether one is a believer or not?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 35 of 50 (844599)
12-02-2018 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Tanypteryx
12-02-2018 4:17 PM


Re: Creation Science vs Regular Science
Tanypteryx writes:

My understanding about the Discovery Institute is that people associated with it have to sign some sort of declaration that belief in the bible overrides scientific results, or something similar.

No wonder Faith is interested in the results. That sort of thinking makes no sense to me, and I am a believer.

If reality was determined supernaturally and overrode the evidence that we can see and measure, it would mean that everyone was deluded and deceived except believers...which I won't buy into. Besides...Belief in God does not need to equate to a belief in the bible....that simply weakens the overall possibility of the argument being true. (Unless of course I am supernaturally being deceived at this very moment.)


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 36 of 50 (844600)
12-02-2018 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
12-02-2018 3:09 PM


Will Faith Answer Me?
I would love to know.
I am going to put you on the spot, and I hope that you answer me....but if you don't it will only fit a pattern of ignoring anything that challenges your belief.

How is it that you always ignore the requests of EvC members to provide evidence for your claims regarding the science of Geology and age of the earth? Also....do you believe that God has allowed secular science to be deceived due to the fact that they won't put their beliefs ahead of dispassionate evidence?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 50 of 50 (844717)
12-04-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Faith
12-02-2018 6:31 PM


Re: Will Faith Answer Me?
Faith writes:

It's simple: I think they are wrong, I'm not looking for snarky explanations for why they are wrong. I'll even say they are honestly wrong, they believe in what they are saying. But I believe they are wrong nevertheless.

And in the future I may well ignore you, Phat, whether you do that particular snark thing on me or not, because I don't like your attitude.

Get ready to ignore me, dear.

Faith writes:

...creationists who don't accept the established findings will come to different conclusions based on their different assumptions.

Keyword: Assumptions.
Faith writes:

Since scientific journals adhere to the accepted framework of the ToE, they are not going to consider anything that comes to them from the creationist point of view, at least if it involves the kind of assumptions I've mentioned above. That is, the scientific thinking IS different even if the basic facts are the same wherever these different assumptions are important to the research.

They certainly won't accept the Bible as evidence if that's what you mean.
Tangle writes:

There is no such thing as YEC science, if YEC was science, we'd just call it science.

Logically I can agree with that. If I were to become a Biblical Innerrantist instead, I would have to ignore my own intuition. Which may be what I need to do, in the final analysis. The jury is out.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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