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Author Topic:   God’s witness ?
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Message 5 of 17 (829071)
03-02-2018 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Phat
03-02-2018 11:51 AM


Re: Human Nature
Phat writes:

I was always taught (and believed) that standing for something was better than falling for just anything (or nothing).

You can stand for feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, comforting the sorrowful, healing the sick and protecting the weak. Those all make sense and those all need support.

GOD does need support or anyone to stand.


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Message 8 of 17 (829130)
03-03-2018 5:09 PM
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Re: Human Nature and Atheism
So you agree it is the humans with the need?

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Message 11 of 17 (829182)
03-04-2018 7:16 AM
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03-04-2018 4:19 AM


Re: Human Nature and Atheism
Phat writes:

I'm just curious if the numbers of those doing for the least of these, jars charge, are consistent across all types of people.

Paying taxes to support filling the general needs certainly meets any of my conditions. When we work together through taxes and other contributions to feed the hungry, protect the weak, clothe the naked, comfort the sorrowful, heal the sick and educate the children we are doing what Jesus told us to do. We are also doing what we should do regardless of any religious beliefs.


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Message 13 of 17 (829185)
03-04-2018 9:43 AM
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03-04-2018 9:32 AM


Re: Human Nature and Atheism
Phat writes:

Based on that criteria, anyone who pays taxes is indirectly doing the "will of God".

In my opinion, there are too many loopholes.

Since the rich pay most of the taxes, are they doing the will of God through their taxes?

You place to much emphasis on "doing the will of God" when the fact is not one of us even has a clue what that is or anyway to determine what the will of God is.

When people pay taxes they are doing for "the least of these my brothers."

When the rich pay taxes they are doing what Jesus said we should do.

The "will of God" is just another of those word salad catch phrases so popular and effective on Madison Avenue and the Midway.


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Message 17 of 17 (829252)
03-04-2018 5:27 PM
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03-04-2018 4:18 PM


Re: Human Nature and Atheism
Phat writes:

While I claim that the God I envision desires communion, communication, and the ability and opportunity to help us, you see that as a hindrance should it be true....focusing on the importance of the development and application of personal responsibility to ourselves and for others.

No, what I see as a hindrance is counting on God to do the work we are charged with doing or expecting God to do what Jesus said we should be doing.

If you substitute believing for doing then nothing gets done.

I have no problem if you believe you are communicating with God but if you suggest that others need to listen to what God says then it is reasonable to ask "How do I tell it is God and not a bad burrito?"

So far no one has ever explained how to tell that the communication really is two way much less with God.


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