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Phat
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Message 36 of 214 (864237)
10-08-2019 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
10-08-2019 7:17 AM


In The Muse
The expressiveness between you two is encouraging. It shows me that a flower can find a way to grow through the cracks of a bombed-out city...through the concrete.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Phat
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Message 44 of 214 (864429)
10-11-2019 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
10-11-2019 9:56 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
Check this out from NPR, usually a credible news source:

'Not One Drop Of Blood': Cattle Mysteriously Mutilated In Oregon

Does anyone have any explanation for how this occurred?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Phat
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Message 57 of 214 (864466)
10-11-2019 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by AZPaul3
10-11-2019 3:57 PM


Re: Lions and Tigers and Bears?
AZ writes:

So what’s all the bullshit about?

Some of us like jumping to conclusions, while others would stand at the altar forever awaiting solid evidence.

Believers and nonbelievers likely share some personality traits among their respective group. We are likely unalike in many notable ways. Diversity is the spice of life!

You and Faith should go on a date.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Phat
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Message 96 of 214 (864583)
10-13-2019 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by AZPaul3
10-13-2019 9:03 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Oh it *could* theoretically happen. She is suggesting that in reality it really would be a demonic manifestation of sorts and that the world wouldn't believe it. The world would think as you suggest...that it would seemingly be wonderful to have contact with a higher "life form" that is objectively proven. Not that pesky God and those equally pesky angelic wars of mythos past.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Phat
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Message 129 of 214 (865232)
10-22-2019 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by AZPaul3
10-22-2019 2:32 AM


Re: Maybe there is nothing out there after all
I'm beginning to think that your skepticism is one of your stronger traits. We need good skeptics to balance us out.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Phat
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Message 182 of 214 (886798)
06-08-2021 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by LamarkNewAge
05-22-2021 12:38 AM


Re: Astronaut John Glenn convinced Democratic leader Harry Reid to take UFOs seriously
LNA writes:

John Glenn said that UFOs were always traveling near him when he went up into space. He said that you knew that you weren't supposed to say anything about it.

I would like to hear Glenn's exact words. This is getting interesting!

So LNA, do you personally believe in UFOs a reality?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 183 of 214 (886799)
06-08-2021 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by AZPaul3
05-22-2021 4:37 AM


Re: Astronaut John Glenn convinced Democratic leader Harry Reid to take UFOs seriously
AZPaul3, addressing LNA writes:

If you're trying to say it's aliens all the way down or something then an introduction of the Alien Ambassador to the world via FOXNews would be helpful. And the schematics for their infinite improbability drive.

The Biblical Christians think that it is quite possible that the antichrist could successfully be introduced as an alien and that this would increase his credibility.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 188 of 214 (886816)
06-10-2021 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by FLRW
06-08-2021 4:54 PM


But who built the device?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 191 of 214 (886820)
06-11-2021 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by ringo
06-08-2021 12:28 PM


Aliens As Demons
Phat writes:

The Biblical Christians think that it is quite possible that the antichrist could successfully be introduced as an alien and that this would increase his credibility.


ringo writes:

I have never heard any Christian of any stripe who "think" that.

You really need to get out more.

Amazon Prime writes:

Are Aliens Demons? Evidences For A Spiritual View
Ancient of Days Conference Filmed on Location in Roswell, New Mexico During the UFO Festival aka "Why Christian Fundamentalists Think Aliens Are Really Demons" This lecture provides an overview of the messages, actions and abilities demonstrated by modern "aliens" with insight into the scriptural and theological arguments that logically support the fallen angel interpretation of the phenomena.



One of many. I already would have lots of competition in the books and/or videos for sale, Anglagard! My comment on the antichrist was my own reasoning. If a man of darkness or perdition or a human infused with evil incarnate (in direct rebellion to Jesus (infused with the power of the One True GOD) were to ever actually exist and show up...what better way to win the hearts and minds of the educated elite than saying he was simply an alien from another place in the physical universe?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 196 of 214 (886831)
06-11-2021 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by ringo
06-11-2021 3:21 PM


Re: Aliens As Demons
A better way would be to pose as a Christian.
That too is a distinct possibility. Though in that case, nobody would take him seriously. Posing as a wise alien would allow him credibility (and awe)

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 198 of 214 (886835)
06-12-2021 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by xongsmith
06-11-2021 1:12 PM


Re: Aliens As Demons
I read an interesting commentary on that.
quote:
When the paperback edition of Childhood's End came out, Clarke added a warning in the front: "The opinions expressed in this book are not those of the author." One of the "opinions" he is referring to is undoubtedly this one. Almost all of the rest of Clarke's fiction supports the idea that Earth is just a frog pond where humanity is currently growing and developing but will eventually leave by reaching out to the stars.

So why, in this book, does Karellen say, "the stars are not for man?" This may be the result of the mythological and folkloric framework that Clarke used as the basis for Childhood's End. More than most of Clarke's novel, Childhood's End draws on allegory: the Overlords are Satan and his rebel angels, the Overmind is a God-like figure, and the assimilation of the children into the Overmind is the Rapture and Armageddon rolled into one.



"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 201 of 214 (886838)
06-12-2021 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by PaulK
06-11-2021 4:19 PM


Whom To Deceive & Impress
Rabbit Trail: Actual Aliens vs Mythological Angels & Demons.

Following the rabbit...Yes, Trump charmed a lot of Christian Right-Wing Populists with his Christian persona, though to me it was hypocritical and thinly veiled. I couldn't understand why so many "Christians" were on Trumps side. For the love of money...And now the bleeding hearts are back in power. Wanting to raise the tide and help all boats refloat after the pandemic. Imagine if there were an antichrist. His main mission? Deceiving the whole world and leading us away from Christ. Were he to show up as a larger-than-life charismatic figure, he may well dazzle the Christians, but in order to dazzle the secular humanist critical thinkers, he would have to masquerade as a space alien because he would need to impress the secular mind. The evidence-based mind.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 205 of 214 (886848)
06-12-2021 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by ringo
06-12-2021 12:32 PM


Re: Whom To Deceive & Impress
If aliens showed up, were photographed, interviewed, (or at least interviewed about and otherwise documented, people would have their precious evidence. They would have captured our minds via the Trojan Horse of documented evidence.

We would still be deceived.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 206 of 214 (886849)
06-12-2021 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by PaulK
06-12-2021 10:37 AM


Re: Whom To Deceive & Impress
PaulK writes:

mpressing a large group with a conformist and authoritarian mindset seems like a good idea.

How about impressing (another) large group with a tale of being an alien refugee who escaped a vengeful war from another solar system and who is here to offer wisdom and altruistic ideals for a world starving for hope?

What if such a figure were allowed to talk to the earthly masses and ended up impressing them? (Unlike Jesus who was persecuted by the authorities)

No gods or religions need to apply in this case. The secular world would have their evidence...in this personality.

Its the kinder gentler version of humanistic altruism. Given to us from a supposed wiser being from another, more advanced place.

Perfect setup.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 211 of 214 (886879)
06-13-2021 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by ringo
06-13-2021 3:16 PM


Re: Whom To Deceive & Impress
What I mean is that he would impress the establishment as well as dupe the masses.

Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.


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