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AZPaul3
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Message 19 of 214 (864101)
10-06-2019 9:06 PM


I believe in aliens, the demons of the sky,
Flyers of space and time.
I believe in worm holes, warp drives and star ships,
Conceived of Einstein, Alcubierre and Roddenberry.
Devils born of foreign worlds,
After lightyears of travel brought to Earth,
With cargo holds of anal probes.
Suffered to silence by governments,
Was ridiculed, captured and confined,
Descended behind bars at Groom Lake.
To be freed by believers and by abductees returned,
To be seated at the right hand of tin hats,
To come again to rule in Roswell.
I believe in the Greys,
The almond eyes,
The physical phenomena,
The spiritual phenomena,
The resurrection of the meme,
And the human arrogance that refuses to give any credence to the experiences of Nutters.

R’amen


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Message 21 of 214 (864104)
10-06-2019 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
10-06-2019 9:12 PM


You are my muse.

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Message 24 of 214 (864110)
10-06-2019 10:56 PM
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10-06-2019 9:56 PM


Too sensitive, Love.

Being a muse is not an insult but an expression of affection.

Or, it used to be in a world long gone by.


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Message 33 of 214 (864183)
10-07-2019 3:51 PM
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10-07-2019 3:17 PM


It is not the subject but the spark, the inspiration, the intellectual motive force behind the creation that is the purview of the muse.

Restless muse,
take not your virtuous mind
and refuse my sentiments,
my grasping hopes of inspiration
upon your beauteous shoulders,
and the line of your face
a countenance I can abide,
as beauty is my minds play,
each word to mirror your precious being.

Tony DeLorger

But, yet again, inappropriate, I take librties where none are joined.


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Message 56 of 214 (864462)
10-11-2019 3:57 PM


Lions and Tigers and Bears?
Someone please clue me in here.

These recent revelations aren’t anything new, except it’s finally admitted by the USAF.

They are not revealing anything we didn’t already know; that there are instances where pilots have seen and recorded objects flying through the air that we could not identify.

They did not reveal aliens, extraterrestrial or spiritual demons/angels or otherwise. We do not know if they were meteors, space junk, secret aircraft, ball lightning, or any one of hundreds of other probable natural phenomena.

No one peered through the cockpit window of a spinning flying saucer and saw an almond-eyed grey or the red visor flash of a cylon. No one saw ET.

What they saw was unidentified. That does not equate to, does not even imply, ET.

Nothing new. Nothing startling. Just an admission of that we already knew for decades.

So what’s all the bullshit about?


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AZPaul3
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Message 59 of 214 (864470)
10-11-2019 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Phat
10-11-2019 4:30 PM


Re: Lions and Tigers and Bears?
Some of us like jumping to conclusions...

What conclusions are jumped to today that were not already jumped to 4 decades ago?

The only difference between then and now is that instead of a "No comment," the USAF has said "Yeah, We seen some unidentified things."

You and Faith should go on a date.

And ruin her fantasy? You're daft, man.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 71 of 214 (864492)
10-12-2019 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Faith
10-11-2019 8:23 PM


Throwing Chunks
is the prospect of visitors from outer space with a stupendously advanced technology less scary?

Since demons and devils, ghosts and gods, don't exist there can be no comparison.

Besides, as beings lost in time as well as in space, alien visitors to Earth are a fantasy.

But let's say *they do* come here.

As a product of evolution they would have had a violent thing-eat-thing past just as we. But to build an interstellar spacecraft would take an expenditure of resources, and therefore a cooperation across a large planetary society like never experienced by humans. Note how we have congregated into larger and larger cooperative groups throughout our history to the point where now we even contemplate a world wide social structure. Imagine what human society, if we survive all of our attempts to go extinct, could be like in another 5000 years.

I believe that any species capable of such resource gathering, expenditure and production to build interstellar spaceships would have found a way to overcome their violent evolutionary propensities and would know an enlightenment we can only dream to achieve. They would know violence achieves nothing especially when dealing with an inferior grade of really stupid monkeys.

Second, there is nothing on this planet a space faring alien culture with such advanced technology could covet that they cannot achieve in greater abundance mining a few specs of rock in our Oort cloud, or anywhere else in the galaxy, with more efficiency and without having to be bothered with some still violent, to the point of bonkers, local natives and their pesky infectious bugs.

So, no, I do not fear ET's arrival. We wouldn't be anything more than a curiosity stop on their way somewhere else. And the only reason they would stop by would be to see who was putting out so much god-damned EM noise. Damned kids.

Besides, we would probably appear as disgustingly abhorrent to them as they would appear to us.

Ewww! That's human? Gross!! Let's leave before we all start throwing chunks!

And the other besides:

If an alien starship shows up here it most probably won't be manned (?) ... uh ... aliened ... but will be cybernetic.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 79 of 214 (864530)
10-12-2019 4:10 PM
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10-12-2019 1:06 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
The testimony of millions means nothing of course.

Of course not. Popularity means nothing.

The testimony of millions believe your version of a god is fake. Do you accept that?

Then stop using popularity as an argument when you know it means nothing.

... people have seen something real that isn't explainable by anything normal or natural...

You are saying that people have seen things that are inexplicable. You do know what inexplicable means, right?

Unidentified means not known, it does not mean alien. Inexplicable means not known, it does not mean supernatural.

Unidentified and inexplicable are not evidence of alien or supernatural no matter how many people may believe. They give no reason to believe one fantasy over another. Which means all such fantasies are equally invalid.


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Message 84 of 214 (864546)
10-12-2019 7:34 PM
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10-12-2019 4:17 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
a number of men on a ship and in the air witnessed what were definitely real phenomena, as their instruments even said so, that acted like no physical object ever seen before, and it went on for some time. Many witnesses to a phenomenon not explainable by usual means but definitely real.

No one is saying the experiences were not real.

That is what the USAF was finally admitting. The occurrences were real.

But no one knows what they were seeing. No one can say what the objects were. They do not know if they were seeing falling space junk, pareidolia or Ezekiel's wheel.

Again, unidentified does not mean alien, and inexplicable does not mean supernatural, no matter how hard one wishes it were so.


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AZPaul3
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Message 85 of 214 (864547)
10-12-2019 7:45 PM
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10-12-2019 4:27 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
testimony that a god is a fake isn't testimony

Testimony is no more than statement.

You say your god is real. I say your god is fantasy.

My testimony carries much more weight than yours because, like your friend Wrightstone above, you are a known proven nutjob with a history of religious nutjobbery while I am both brilliant and sane.


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AZPaul3
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Message 90 of 214 (864567)
10-13-2019 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
10-12-2019 10:08 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
They would recognize falling space junk,

Would they? I agree that in most cases they should but can anyone say for certain it was not? No.

Since nobody in this case has suggested any such thing ...

Lots of folks are interpreting these instances as ET. That's why there is such titillation in the UFO community. They see this announcement as the USAF admitting there are aliens.

And you, yourself, said in a number of messages upstream here that they weren't aliens but were supernatural demons.

That does not mean I do not have some weird mental problem but it certainly does mean that people are interpreting "unidentified" as "alien" and, you, specifically, interpreted "inexplicable" as "supernatural."

So, again, no, unidentified does not mean alien no matter what the UFO weenies care to believe and inexplicable does not mean supernatural no matter what the devil is whispering in your left ear.


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AZPaul3
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Message 92 of 214 (864570)
10-13-2019 12:44 AM
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10-13-2019 12:38 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
I was talking about the effect that video and the USAF announcement is having on the greater society. There is more than just this room you know, yes?

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AZPaul3
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Message 95 of 214 (864582)
10-13-2019 9:03 AM
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10-13-2019 7:32 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
then what?

That would be wonderful!

Watch the religious crazies and the cosmologists, the politcos and the alt-reich go nuts. We would have a dozen new dedicated "Aliens are here" channels on TV and YouTube. Imagine the discussions on this and the other forums!

It's not going to happen is it. You're just teasing me.


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AZPaul3
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Message 97 of 214 (864587)
10-13-2019 10:15 AM
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10-13-2019 9:15 AM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Oh it *could* theoretically happen.

That's only if one accepts such a loosey-goosey definition of theoretically.

In reality our theories tell us it won't happen (subject to change).

... demonic manifestation ...

Sorry, Thug. I know you guys are serious and I shouldn't laugh, but this is just so freakin' hilarious.


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AZPaul3
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Message 101 of 214 (864627)
10-13-2019 5:55 PM
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10-13-2019 5:10 PM


Re: Throwing Chunks
Oh this guy, Christian guy...

Not a good start.

gets into really fringey stuff

That's kinda redundant.

he lives in Florida

Well, that does it. He's toast.

was visited by a voodoo demon one night that acted like a living skeleton and got in bed with him

But, of course he was.

Interesting stuff huh?

For halloween, yeah.

You miss so much fascinating drama if you aren't a Christian

Not fascinating drama. I believe it's called psychotic delusion. There are drugs for this.


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