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PaulK
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Message 197 of 214 (886833)
06-11-2021 4:19 PM
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06-11-2021 4:00 PM


Re: Aliens As Demons
Pretending to be a Christian worked pretty well for Trump. I can’t say that pretending to be a space alien would have been better for him.

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Message 200 of 214 (886837)
06-12-2021 5:08 AM
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06-12-2021 1:59 AM


Re: Aliens As Demons
To call it “allegory” goes too far. Clarke doesn’t closely follow the Christian end-times ideas (and I’m not sure he would be following an American version at all). The Overlords aren’t rebel angels at all - they are willing servants of the Overmind.

The idea of future generations of humanity being subsumed into first a single racial mind, then a larger cosmic intelligence doesn’t fit well either (even if some Christians - usually tending to mysticism - adopt something resembling the latter view, it’s hardly explicit, of even clearly implicit, in the Bible).


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Message 202 of 214 (886839)
06-12-2021 10:37 AM
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06-12-2021 10:13 AM


Re: Whom To Deceive & Impress
Impressing a large group with a conformist and authoritarian mindset seems like a good idea. A weakness for conspiracy theories is a bonus. So, I think that - in the US anyway - impressing the Christian Right is the way to go. (And they are the experts in leading people away from Christ, too. Bonus!).

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Message 207 of 214 (886850)
06-12-2021 2:54 PM
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06-12-2021 2:45 PM


Re: Whom To Deceive & Impress
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How about impressing (another) large group with a tale of being an alien refugee who escaped a vengeful war from another solar system and who is here to offer wisdom and altruistic ideals for a world starving for hope?

Not as good if he wants to be a dictator, especially if he wants a theocratic dictatorship. And since you’re discussing SDA belief with Raphael, did you know that SDAs consider “the mark of the Beast” to be mandatory Sunday worship ? (Or so I’ve heard). I’ve seen an explanation and it’s far less crazy than the nonsense about barcodes.

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Its the kinder gentler version of humanistic altruism. Given to us from a supposed wiser being from another, more advanced place.

Perfect setup.


Not for a ruthless theocratic dictatorship. The “Christians” are far more likely to go for that - especially the ones that want it anyway.


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