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Faith 
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Message 136 of 214 (865976)
11-03-2019 2:30 PM
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11-03-2019 2:24 PM


Re: Optical illusions and optical delusions
Vallee did because he doesn't believe in tne supernatural you snarky mizzerable slimebucket. Yeah suspend me whoever.

{Percy is becoming the Mad Censor for sure. "Mis(z)erable"?}

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Message 137 of 214 (865977)
11-03-2019 2:38 PM
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11-03-2019 2:30 PM


Re: Optical illusions and optical delusions
Faith writes:

Vallee did because he doesn't believe in tne supernatural....


You said in Message 132, "...Jacques Vallee who rightly concluded that they simply do not obey physical laws...."

That's supernatural.


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Faith 
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Message 138 of 214 (865979)
11-03-2019 2:59 PM
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11-03-2019 2:38 PM


Re: Optical illusions and optical delusions
OH LET ME BE MORE ACCURATE THEN MR. SNARK. HE DIDN'T BEFORE HE DID HIS STUDY. HE DISCOVERED THAT WAS THE ONLY REASONABLE EXPLANATION. I DON'T KNOW IF HE USED THAT TERM EITHER, "SUPERNATURAL," BUT HE WAS REFERRING TO THE "BEINGS" DESCRIBED IN "FOLKLORE."

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Message 139 of 214 (865986)
11-03-2019 3:25 PM
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11-03-2019 2:59 PM


Re: Optical illusions and optical delusions
Faith writes:

HE DISCOVERED THAT WAS THE ONLY REASONABLE EXPLANATION.


It isn't a "reasonable" explanation. It's an excuse to stop looking for an explanation.

Faith writes:

I DON'T KNOW IF HE USED THAT TERM EITHER, "SUPERNATURAL," BUT HE WAS REFERRING TO THE "BEINGS" DESCRIBED IN "FOLKLORE."


It doesn't matter what term he used. It's clear he was taking the easy way out with folklore/superstition.

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Message 140 of 214 (886388)
05-18-2021 11:16 PM


Big news on UFO disclosure by U.S. government (see 60 minutes 5/16/2021 report)
Unclassified report coming to Congress next month.

Luis Elizondo is the man of the century.

Harry Reid (former Democratic Senate leader) is surely proud of AATIP ( and the successor UAP Task Force).

Now we will all be able to ask the questions, once the accurate synopsis of the data is going to be in all our minds.

Science goes forward - eventually.

Ultimately.


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Message 141 of 214 (886389)
05-18-2021 11:42 PM
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05-18-2021 11:16 PM


Re: Big news on UFO disclosure by U.S. government (see 60 minutes 5/16/2021 report)
Google

60 Minutes May 16 Graham Messick

The report, thankfully, had multiple experts focus on the issue of MULTIPLE perspective observation views/recordings of objects. High tech observation that goes beyond the already impressive (if not decisive) duo of infra red & radar observations of the same event.


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AZPaul3
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Message 142 of 214 (886390)
05-19-2021 3:38 AM



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vimesey
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Message 143 of 214 (886391)
05-19-2021 4:51 AM
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05-19-2021 3:38 AM


As a fellow Brummie to Jeff Lynne, I can verify those sightings.

(PS - if you want to hear the Brummie accent in all its weird glory, listen to the first 10 seconds of Four Little Diamonds).

Edited by vimesey, : Is this on ? No it's not on !


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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AZPaul3
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Message 144 of 214 (886394)
05-19-2021 11:24 AM
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05-19-2021 4:51 AM


What accent?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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vimesey
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Message 145 of 214 (886397)
05-19-2021 11:59 AM
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05-19-2021 11:24 AM


Our slang for people from Birmingham - Brummies :-)

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Tanypteryx
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Message 146 of 214 (886398)
05-19-2021 12:44 PM


An Analysis of the 60 Minutes Investigation
US Government Says UFOs are “Real”
An Analysis of the 60 Minutes Investigation

quote:
The segment opens with an interview with a familiar character, Luis Elizondo, reputedly the former head of a $22 million program instigated by Senator Harry Reid called AATIP: the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Ostensibly this was created to study possible future developments in aerospace. Elizondo claims the program was actually created to study UFOs (or, as they prefer to call them now, UAPs, or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.) Put out to tender in 2008, the budget was awarded to Harry Reid’s friend, Robert Bigelow, a UFO and paranormal enthusiast.

quote:
Elizondo opens with the startling claim that “the Government has already stated for the record that [UFOs] are real.” Startling, that is, until you remember that “UFO” does not necessarily mean alien visitors, but rather something unidentified in the sky, something about which the observer lacks sufficient information to identify. Obviously, the government would admit such things are “real.” A mylar balloon floating into the range of a Navy jet’s camera is “real”, but the U in UFO and UAP does not mean extraterrestrial, or even necessarily an aerial technology beyond any known physics and aerodynamics.

quote:
We then are shown a series of familiar videos as evidence of this amazing technology—all of which have been in the public domain for some time (over a decade in one case) and all of which have been analyzed (by several people, myself included) and found to almost certainly not represent objects exhibiting incredible abilities, and instead more likely signify very ordinary human technology.

First, we see “Go Fast”, a video presented as showing an incredibly fast craft skimming low over the ocean. But if you do the very simple trigonometry invited by the numbers on screen, it turns out to be something far above the surface and moving at a speed that matches the wind at that altitude, making it almost certainly just a balloon. Yet the 60 Minutes host, the highly respected journalist Bill Whitaker, repeats Elizondo’s baseless claim that it’s “fast moving.”


It looks like 60 Minutes' journalistic skepticism was lacking.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 147 of 214 (886399)
05-19-2021 1:00 PM
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05-19-2021 11:59 AM


Our slang for people from Birmingham - Brummies :-)

Yes, I know. But if you can still understand it then it's not a good accent is it? A good accent is one you have to think over and then wonder about and then finally just guess at.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 148 of 214 (886400)
05-19-2021 1:08 PM
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05-19-2021 12:44 PM


Re: An Analysis of the 60 Minutes Investigation
It looks like 60 Minutes' journalistic skepticism was lacking.

60 Minutes originated as a news program. But, by now, it is more of an entertainment program with a slight newsy slant.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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vimesey
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Message 149 of 214 (886401)
05-19-2021 1:36 PM
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05-19-2021 1:00 PM


In that case, you need to have a listen to some people from Dudley, like my wife :-) 8 years now, and I'm still learning new stuff :-)

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 150 of 214 (886403)
05-19-2021 2:21 PM
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05-19-2021 1:00 PM


In German, we had Dialekt. For example, when I went to work in the Black Forest area of West Germany in 1973, I was pretty proficient in German class and could understand. First day on the job I was hit with Schwäbisch, a Dialekt that even most native Germans cannot understand (though still not as bad as Bayrisch or Schwyzerdütsch, Bavarian and Swiss respectively). I would have been willing to bet everything I had that that was not German! As it turns out, the standard German, Hochdeutsch, is pretty much an artificial language constructed out of Southern German consonants with North German vowels.

German also has "Heimatsklänge", "sounds of home." That's a person's accent when they speak Hochdeutsch.

BTW, decades later my German still has a Schwäbischen Heimatsklang. I can never say "Pretzel" but rather "Pretzele".

Decades ago, PBS had a series, The Story of English (1986). In the episode about the various English dialects/accents inside of England they had to subtitle all the examples so that the audience could understand what they were saying.

Do you remember the scene in Hot Fuzz where they are talking with a farmer (and obtain that sea mine)? The only one who can understand the farmer is an older constable and the only one who can understand the older constable is another one (Nick Frost). So the chain of translation goes from farmer, older constable, Nick Frost, Simon Pegg (and us, so Simon Pegg is kind of our audience surrogate, the newbie who has to have everything explained to him and hence to us).

Video is at Hot Fuzz (4/10) Movie CLIP - Sea Mine (2007) HD in case that tag doesn't work for you either.

Netflix used to have a Scottish comedy show, Chewin' the Fat, which included some segments (eg, with Argyle sock puppets) completely in Scots that nobody could understand. Another Scottish show had a skit where two Scots become trapped in a lift that uses voice recognition:

 
Share and enjoy!

Edited by dwise1, : Pretzele

Edited by dwise1, : having to work around a YouTube glitch


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