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Message 31 of 112 (864163)
10-07-2019 12:58 PM
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03-10-2018 4:09 PM


Intelligent life in the universe
While i have no doubt there is other intelligent life out there given the shear size and scope of the universe.

After much intensive study and analysis I find myself forced to the conclusion that there is absolutely no intelligent life anywhere in the universe.


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Message 32 of 112 (864172)
10-07-2019 3:17 PM
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10-06-2019 10:56 PM


But muse to a snarky parody of a Christian Creed?

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Message 33 of 112 (864183)
10-07-2019 3:51 PM
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It is not the subject but the spark, the inspiration, the intellectual motive force behind the creation that is the purview of the muse.

Restless muse,
take not your virtuous mind
and refuse my sentiments,
my grasping hopes of inspiration
upon your beauteous shoulders,
and the line of your face
a countenance I can abide,
as beauty is my minds play,
each word to mirror your precious being.

Tony DeLorger

But, yet again, inappropriate, I take librties where none are joined.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 34 of 112 (864184)
10-07-2019 4:01 PM
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Message 35 of 112 (864216)
10-08-2019 7:17 AM
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Moronic muse
Pens the death of a delicate ecosystem.
Too Late is a very long time.
You are a fool, M'lady M'love
Not even a teary abyss
But a stunned silence.

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Message 36 of 112 (864237)
10-08-2019 8:30 PM
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In The Muse
The expressiveness between you two is encouraging. It shows me that a flower can find a way to grow through the cracks of a bombed-out city...through the concrete.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Message 37 of 112 (864241)
10-09-2019 12:31 AM
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Re: In The Muse
Is EvC a bombed-out city, Thugs?
Or concrete desert where a flower strains
Through tiny cracks to find the light that hugs
And blesses it for all its struggling pains?

Though threatened now by careless scuffling feet,
Can it survive its newfound happiness
For long, while busy people pass its sweet
Presumption in their blinded willfulness?

I hurry like those feet, which makes my thought
Insipid as I rush to get it said
That one did come along who saw and caught
Its cheeky color eer it broke and bled

You praised the bloom and saved its little life
From climate change and other local strife.

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Message 38 of 112 (864250)
10-09-2019 10:22 AM
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10-06-2019 9:06 PM


X files Haiku
Are we alone here
Someone on the other line
Where are you little green men

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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10-09-2019 10:44 AM
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Re: X files Haiku
Iambic feet keep marching through my brain
I ask them not to torment but they do;
They even have the gall to build quatrains
From nothing more than sloppy mental goo.

Maybe they are aliens

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10-09-2019 11:26 AM
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Re: X files Haiku
We've gone off topic,
Left the ETs in their clouds.
We need a new thread.

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Message 42 of 112 (864417)
10-11-2019 9:41 AM


There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
I planned on starting a thread on astronauts (their quotes and testimonies) someday, but something got me searching google this mourning.

I was trying to find the actual L.A. Times article (if it even exists) of Commander Eugene Cernan's oft-quoted (and not specifically sourced) line about UFOs in 1973.

quote:
“…I’ve been asked about UFOs and I’ve said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization.”

COMMANDER EUGENE CERNAN
Commander, Apollo 17 Mission
1973 article in the Los Angeles Times

https://paradigmresearchgroup.org/quotes/


I don't know if this is the article or not (I need to subscribe to this publication some day to find out.)

https://www.newspapers.com/...uery=eugene+cernan+ufos&t=4312

I come into the same problem every time I try to do searches for things:

I am always faced with voluminous links full of so many credible government employees who know the evidence.

quote:
UFO Existence “Proven Beyond Reasonable Doubt,” Says Former Head of Pentagon Alien Program
2017-12-24, Newsweek

http://www.newsweek.com/...-beyond-reasonable-doubt-says-for...

The existence of UFOs had been “proved beyond reasonable doubt,” according the head of the secret Pentagon program that analyzed the mysterious aircrafts. Luis Elizondo [said] of the sightings, “In my opinion, if this was a court of law, we have reached the point of ‘beyond reasonable doubt.’ I think it’s pretty clear this is not us, and it’s not anyone else, so no one has to ask questions where they’re from.” Elizondo led the U.S. Defense Department’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, investigating evidence of UFOs and alien life, from 2007 to 2012, when it was shuttered. Its existence was first reported by The New York Times last week. Elizondo [said] that there had been “lots” of UFO sightings and witnesses interviewed during the program’s five years. Investigators pinpointed geographical “hot spots” that were sometimes near nuclear facilities and power plants. They also observed trends among the aircrafts, including lack of flight surfaces on the objects and extreme maneuverability. “There was never any display of hostility, but ... they maneuvered in ways no one else in the world had,” he said. Despite Pentagon funding running out in 2012, Elizondo oversaw UFO work for another five years before resigning in October 2017 out of frustration with the secrecy of the investigations. He had pushed for videos of the possible alien sightings to be made public so people could see the footage. In his resignation letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Elizondo asked, “Why aren’t we spending more time and effort on this issue?”

Note: Elizondo is one of several former government officials now employed by To the Stars Academy for Arts and Sciences, which claims it will "advance research into unexplained phenomena and develop related technology." This may be part of a planned roll out so that the public becomes more comfortable with the existence of UFOs. Many dozens of top officials have spoken openly of their personal involvement in the UFO cover-up, yet the media has failed to make this headlines until now. For more, explore the excellent, reliable resources in our UFO Information Center.

https://www.wanttoknow.info/ufosnewsarticles-0-10000


There is FINALLY an effort, by the government, to officially end the VERY REAL STIGMA associated with UFO reporting.

quote:
UPDATED:SEP 23, 2019ORIGINAL:SEP 19, 2019

Navy Confirms UFO Videos Are Real and Show Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

It was in HISTORY’s series 'Unidentified' that the active-duty Navy pilots who encountered the crafts first came forward to share their stories.

BECKY LITTLE

The U.S. Navy has confirmed that three F-18 gun-camera videos first released by The New York Times and a UFO research organization show “unidentified aerial phenomena,” or UAPs—a more formal term for UFOs that doesn’t have all the little-green-men baggage.

The Times originally released two of the videos in a December 2017 article revealing that the Pentagon had operated a secret UFO investigatory project, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). All three videos were published on the website of To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, a UFO research organization founded by former Blink-182 singer and guitarist Tom DeLonge.

VIEW: Declassified: UFOs Captured on Video by U.S. Fighter Pilots

The news that the Navy considers the three videos—unofficially known as “FLIR1,” “Gimbal” and “GoFast”—as examples of UAPs first appeared on The Black Vault, a web site that specializes in declassified government documents. “FLIR1” is from November 14, 2004, and “Gimbal” and “GoFast” are from January 21, 2015. Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, emphasized to HISTORY that these videos represent only some of the UAP sightings the Navy is investigating.

“Those three videos are just part of a larger effort by the U.S. Navy to try and investigate a series of incursions into our training ranges by phenomena that we’re calling unidentified aerial phenomena,” says Gradisher, who declined to say how many sightings there have been. “Our aviators train as they fight. So when they’re out there training, if there’s an incursion by any kind of aerial vehicle phenomena, whatever, it puts the safety of our aviators at risk as well as the security of our training operations.”

READ MORE: Are UFOs a Threat to National Security? This Ex-U.S. Official Thinks They Warrant Investigation

To be clear, the Navy is not saying that these videos show evidence of alien life. Rather, the Navy is saying it can’t identify the phenomena in the videos. The Navy considers UAPs like these a national security and safety problem because they are not authorized to be in U.S. airspace. After a series of classified briefings featuring Navy pilots and lawmakers this summer, the Navy announced it had formalized its process for pilots and other personnel to report UAPs so that records of these sightings are more consistent, and therefore easier to investigate.

Gradisher told HISTORY the Navy is trying to reduce the stigma of reporting UAPs, which in the past pilots may have been disparaged—or ignored—for reporting. “We want to get beyond that stigma, and encourage our aviators to report anything that they’re seeing out there.”

READ MORE: When Top Gun Pilots Tangled With a Tic-Tac-Shaped UF

Official U.S. Navy video of a 2015 UFO encounter, taken aboard a Navy fighter jet from the nuclear aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, off the eastern seaboard, near the Florida coast.
It was during the production of HISTORY’s series “Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation,” the first season of which explored UAP phenomena in military contexts, that the active-duty Navy pilots who encountered the crafts captured in the three videos initially came forward to share their stories. The series, in partnership with To the Stars Academy, helped spark a dialogue that resulted in official acknowledgment of these crafts.

Nick Pope, who worked for the U.K. Ministry of Defense’s UFO program from 1991 to 1994, has previously speculated that there are four possible explanations for the more recent UAPs identified by the U.S. Navy: errors in pilot or computer perception, a secret U.S. project being blind tested without the Navy’s knowledge, a foreign government’s aircraft or something completely unknown.

“What I think the Navy’s recent statement does, is it probably takes off the table the first of those explanations,” he says. “I think the clear perception is the Navy thinks we’re dealing with something real and tangible here. So not misidentifications, misperceptions, glitches or such.”

RELATED: Inside Area 51: Test Your Knowledge of the Real History

Double-click the image to view a video of active-duty U.S. Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves going on the record with his firsthand account of a UFO sighting while flying training missions over the Atlantic ocean, in this clip from Season 1 of 'Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation.'

The history of U.S. government interest in UFOs
The U.S. military has actually been interested in UFOs for a long time, going back to 1948 with the U.S. Air Force’s Project Sign. The year before, a businessman named Kenneth Arnold had claimed that, while flying a plane near Mount Rainier in Washington state, he’d spied nine crescent-shaped objects speeding along “like saucers skipping on water.” Newspaper accounts that mixed up his words helped popularize the term “flying saucer.” Reports of this sighting led more people to claim they’d seen UFOs, and the Air Force decided to study these claims. In the Cold War context, the military was eager to know whether the growing numbers of reports about supposed “flying saucers” might actually be some kind of advanced Soviet spy crafts.

READ MORE: Why Have There Been So Many UFO Sightings Near Nuclear Facilities?

Project Sign was succeeded by another Air Force program called Project Grudge, which started and ended in 1949. The people who worked on Project Grudge concluded that UFO sightings were the result of hysteria, hoaxes, mental illness or the misidentification of known objects. Even so, in 1952 the Air Force established another program called Project Blue Book, the longest-running official government inquiry into UFOs. By the time Project Blue Book ended in 1969, the Air Force had investigated more than 12,000 UFO sightings, 701 of which remained unexplained.

Unlike the Navy’s current system for its pilots and personnel to report UAP sightings, Project Blue Book documented and investigated accounts from anyone, military or civilian. At one point, it even had a questionnaire that allowed people to document their UFO sighting. “Draw a picture that will show the shape of the object or objects,” instructed one part of the questionnaire. “Label and include in your sketch any details of the object that you saw such as wings, protrusions, etc., and especially exhaust trails or vapor trails. Place an arrow beside the drawing to show the direction the object was moving.”

READ MORE: Interactive Map: UFO Sightings Taken Seriously by the U.S. Government

For now, the Navy isn’t releasing many details on the UAPs it’s investigating, including speculation on who might be behind them.

“We’re not going to characterize what any potential sources might be,” Gradisher says. “But as I’ve stated, there are two aspects of concern: the safety of our aviators, and the security of our operation. We don’t want people to see how we’re training, because we train as we fight.”

BY BECKY LITTLE

https://www.history.com/news/navy-confirms-ufo-videos-real


I meant to only quote a few paragraphs, somehow the whole thing got quoted (I honestly am having computer trouble right now) Honest.

Anyway, I found this stuff all by looking for Cernan's information

I put these 4 terms into google:

saturday, january 6, 1973 los angeles times eugene cernan ufos

saturday, january 6, 1973 los angeles times eugene cernan

I’ve been asked (about UFOs) and I’ve said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization. l a times 1973 article

eugene cernan ufos times

ALSO SEE:

maurice chatelain santa claus

I was just trying to get a better sense of the (supposed ) L.A. Times article from 1973 (all of the UFO BUFF SITE & BOOKS fail to even give the day of publication plus any actual actual specifics or context of the article, including the title and author), but the cool thing is that searches do turn up lots of good stuff.

I was very pleased to see hat the Navy is trying to end the stigma that comes with reporting UFOs (people are afraid to even tell their wives). This was something the skeptics (like Joe Nickell) used to hammer the credibility of the Hansen 1978 witness to the DELTA SIERRA JULIET incident. Hansen was afraid to tell his wife, so Nickel used this to prove that his eyewitness account was from a later confabulation (even though his two nieces, who were with him in the car, have essentially the same story).

People need the courage to talk about what they see right away, not later.

The very possession of scientific knowledge is at stake here.

(And for heavens sake, at least have the courage to tell your wife!)


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Message 43 of 112 (864419)
10-11-2019 9:56 AM
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10-11-2019 9:41 AM


Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
So they are now admitting that these sightings are of real phenomena or objects. Hooray. I understand the Vatican is also studying these phenomena. I suspect that eventually they and perhaps the US government and who knows who else will come out and declare them real for some political/global purpose. Perhaps one will show up with "aliens" too.

But this stuff is just demonic manifestations. I wonder if that will ever be discovered. Christians have God's power over these things, but if the world is duped into believing they are visitors from other planets with superior technology, that misbelief is going to become a tool for the oppression and subjugation of humanity.

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Message 44 of 112 (864429)
10-11-2019 11:42 AM
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Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
Check this out from NPR, usually a credible news source:

'Not One Drop Of Blood': Cattle Mysteriously Mutilated In Oregon

Does anyone have any explanation for how this occurred?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Message 45 of 112 (864432)
10-11-2019 11:50 AM
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Re: There is voluminous research from top government agencies and people.
quote:
But this stuff is just demonic manifestations. I wonder if that will ever be discovered.

Perhaps you can use the history of "Christian's" 2000 year existence to show us evidence for the existence of the "Holy Spirit" (although Christians did not invent the "Holy Spirit" mind you).

You have this concept of the goatee-laden "Evil One" running around and poking people in the butt with his 3-forked pitch-fork.

I honestly have no idea what you feel constitutes "evil" and it would help if you explained the good that has happened in the world from each century?

quote:
So they are now admitting that these sightings are of real phenomena or objects. Hooray. I understand the Vatican is also studying these phenomena.

The Roman Catholics come up, I see.

I suppose you will say the Evil One overpowered the "Holy Spirit" during the centuries of Roman Catholic dominance. The period from 241-1200/1300 had a large Manichean alternative the the Catholics (At least in the first half of that 1000 year period, but the similar Cathars gained strength in the later part). Were the Manichaeans & Cathars the evidence of the "Holy Spirit"?

(Nope?)

I suppose you will say there was a foggy evidence of REAL "Holy Spirit" Christians, so tell me who these shadowy REAL Christians were?

Back to Catholics:

quote:
I suspect that eventually they and perhaps the US government and who knows who else will come out and declare them real for some political/global purpose. Perhaps one will show up with "aliens" too.

Some "evil" purpose, like worshiping the goat-demon with a pitchfork?

Some big scheme to get the world to join in some "demonic ritual" at the card table, for "fun"?

An Ouija conspiracy?

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