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Thugpreacha
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Message 2 of 150 (830186)
03-24-2018 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
03-21-2018 5:32 PM


The Issue
What specifically is the issue?

Is it mental health?

Is there evidence that right-wing mental health is any worse than left wing mental health?

As for who he blew up, I doubt he targeted any specific person. He just was obsessed with either explosions or notoriety. Again, the issue in my mind is mental health and identification of possible rogue terrorists before they act.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
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Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Thugpreacha
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Message 6 of 150 (842187)
10-27-2018 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Chiroptera
10-27-2018 3:53 PM


Re: Another one
hmmmm.
Lets ask Mr.Dictionary...
Google Dictionary writes:

par·ti·san ˈpärdəzən
noun
noun partisan plural noun partisans noun partizan plural noun partizans
a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person.
supporter follower adherent devotee champion fanatic fan enthusiast stalwart zealot booster
a member of an armed group formed to fight secretly against an occupying force, in particular one operating in enemy-occupied Yugoslavia, Italy, and parts of eastern Europe in World War II.
guerrilla freedom fighter resistance fighter underground fighter irregular (soldier)
adjective
adjective partisan adjective partizan
prejudiced in favor of a particular cause.
biased prejudiced one-sided discriminatory colored partial interested sectarian factional

Evidently, they can't deny that he was an avid Trump supporter. Partisan is simply a euphemism for "crazy, but one of our crazies!"


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 30 of 150 (844784)
12-05-2018 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by riVeRraT
12-05-2018 10:44 AM


Right and Left Wing Rants....are they worth our time?
Havent seen you around for awhile, Rat. How have you been anyway? Still flying model airplanes? Let me read up on all your comments and reply to you here.....(*reads comments*)

What I don't like is how we are obsessed with tying these horrific acts to an ideology, and not mental illness. As if to say, see, being a right winger is bad, you're all bad.
Agreed, but it seems the main focus of these debates/discussions is the ideologies themselves. I self-identify as a political moderate. Our society does have a lot of mental illness these days. We blame the guns rather than mental illness. We also could blame the prevalence of social media for stirring up the arguments, and we could ask ourselves why we personally feel the need to comment and/or defend our own personal views.
Rat, responding to ringo writes:

You are what is wrong with America.

He is right though...he is a left-wing Canadian. Perhaps a question to ask is if he were a right-wing Canadian would he still be part of the problem rather than the solution? I've been hanging out here quite a few years, and ringo is one who is articulate and opinionated in his responses to our posts. He gets under my skin occasionally but I'm glad he is around.
Caffeine, replying to Rat writes:

Can't we just agree that terrorism is bad instead of using it to further polarise the American public?


Well that was the purpose of my post, but all who replied felt it was more important to assign an ideology to it.
I'm guessing you are a moderate leaning towards conservative values...but are moderate enough to consider all ideologies as equally valid (or useless).

Would you say that your worldview has been influenced by the church or would you argue that you are balanced enough in life to associate with a broader spectrum of people than just believers?

RR writes:

Left-wing terrorism is far more prevalent today. Antifa is a terrorist organization, and while there is no cut and dry way to measure it's membership because they all hide like cowards, it's estimated to be in the tens of thousands.

Correct me if i'm wrong--but could this be due to the fact that there are more left wingers globally in general?
Which has a higher percentage worldwide: left-wing or right-wing?
quote:

Answers from several replies

1)it's absolutely impossible to say. Left-wing and right-wing are notions which aren’t the same for every person.

I will take as an example two countries I know a bit: France and the USA.

In the USA, here is how people see these politics:

American politicians
Barrack Obama: left-wing
Ted Cruz: right-wing
Donald Trump: far right-wing

French politicians
François Hollande: left-wing
Nicolas Sarkozy: centre right-wing
Marine Lepen: far right-wing

In France, here is how we see these same politicians:

American politicians
Barrack Obama: centre right-wing
Ted Cruz: almost far right-wing
Donald Trump: very far right-wing
French politicians
François Hollande: centre left-wing, even right-wing by some people these days
Nicolas Sarkozy: almost far right-wing or right-wing, depends on the day
Marine Lepen: far right-wing
We can’t define a precise political spectrum, given the fact that it depends on where you live, how you’ve been educated, and what kind of right and left you are used to.
...
Though I have no statistical data, I am sure that number of Right Wings are far over than Left Wings.
...
2) Easily right-wing.

There’s an acronym used in psychology: WEIRD. It stands for Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic, but it’s also intended to show that the distinctive worldview of educated people from Western nations is held by a minority of the world’s population.

Since the founding of civilization, most people’s idea of a good society has been a well-ordered hierarchy. When everyone and everything is in the proper, divinely-ordained place, there is order. When this hierarchy is disrupted, there is chaos.

The WEIRD worldview is a relative newcomer.


Food for thought.

And glad to see you posting.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 33 of 150 (844788)
12-05-2018 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tanypteryx
12-05-2018 11:02 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
I suppose that we all could agree that each side has its assholes.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 51 of 150 (844845)
12-06-2018 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by riVeRraT
12-05-2018 6:09 PM


The church does not dictate my worldview.
I never thought mine did either, but in some ways I think that whatt I have read from apologists and pro Chrisian thinkers/philosophers has influenced my worldview. Anyone whom we lsten to does to some degree.
More specifically, since church is man, and God is God, God does not dictate my world view.
Faith would disagree, as she believes that God can and will intervene in human history towards His ultimate glory and purpose. I tended to also think/believe that way though the jury is somewhat out on the degree of Gods involvement.
My worldview dictates my God.
I most definitely don't believe this except to say that it is similar to how jar teaches that we all make up the God of our understanding and preference. I maintain that God exists and created me/us long before we were even capable of imagining/defining Him. jars point stands, however.
I do not call people believers or non-believers. I treat them all the same since we do not know who goes to heaven. Our job is only to love.
Sounds like GDR! I respect that belief.
The atheists here in this forum helped me form my faith.
Yeah. Mine too. To a degree. I stubbornly cling to what I want to be true, so in that sense, my worldview also defines my God I suppose.
God sees that.
I believe that God is aware of everything and everyone. Whether He decides to commune and intervene or is more like Spinoza's God is also in the jury documents. They recently broke for lunch, so it may be a while before we get handed a decision.

If every single person believed in God, we would still have no proof He exists.
Reluctantly, I cant argue except to say that my very belief is based on subjective experience.

Yep I still fly planes. More into freestyle FPV drones. I don't miss this place, but I miss people like you.
I'll probably be here until EvC shuts down...sometime when Percy so decides.

I never bothered to calculate how many left and right wingers there are in the world. Why are we leaving people in the middle out? What difference does it make?
It is worth noting that right wing and left wing motives are based on different presumptions.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 58 of 150 (845032)
12-10-2018 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by riVeRraT
12-09-2018 6:15 AM


Crossing The Line
I agree. When a human of any belief or persuasion crosses the line from active protest into terrorism by definition, the issue becomes the fact that they chose to cross that moral line. At that point, the ideology becomes secondary to the human behavior.

The fact that we even have a Left vs Right discussion proves that there are two sides.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 73 of 150 (851615)
04-29-2019 2:44 PM


As An Aside...

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


  
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