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Chiroptera
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Message 106 of 129 (853325)
05-26-2019 10:31 AM


More threats from Right Wing traitors
From the Guardian:

Christian rightwing figures warn abortion fight could lead to civil war

The article describes more over-the-top threats of violence -- in this case, threats of a "civil war" -- from abortion foes.

What makes this unsettling is that even if most of this is rhetoric or confined to a fringe group, some nut with a gun is going to take it seriously and try to apply a "Second Amendment solution".

Interesting quote:

[André Gagné] says that the idea that abortion may lead to civil war has percolated for some time on the Christian right. Gagné says that the Christian right’s fight against abortion is driven by real belief, and real fear.

“The Christian right believes that if they don’t engage politically, and try to influence social issues, God will judge America, and he will judge them,” Gagne said.

Interesting because this is pretty similar to how the Right tries to explain why Muslims are a threat. I wonder how the Right feels about the same words being applied to them?


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Message 107 of 129 (853381)
05-27-2019 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Chiroptera
05-26-2019 10:31 AM


Re: More threats from Right Wing traitors
The American Taliban, I guess.
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Faith
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Message 108 of 129 (853387)
05-27-2019 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Chiroptera
05-26-2019 10:31 AM


Re: More threats from Right Wing traitors
The main purveyor of this civil war idea seems to be the Charismatic movement, and, while I think for the most part they are Christians their belief in the continuation of the "spiritual (supernatural) gifts" (such as speaking in tongues, prophecies, healings etc.) which is what defines them as a movement, is false, and God cannot honor it. One of their number, Rick Joyner, reports a (prophetic) dream he had about this supposed civil war conflict over abortion, about how we're already in it to some extent. Most of such prophetic words of the charismatics do not pan out.

To my mind the charismatic movement is one of the ways the Church, meaning all the Christian churches as a unit, is apostate or at odds with God these days. In fact this is a big reason why the nation is under God's judgment, INCLUDING FOR THE GREAT SIN OF ABORTION, and that this judgment will only increase unless the Church does something to purge itself of such apostasies. That means that, far from the charismatic churches representing God's will they are in fact at odds with it. God is certainly opposed to abortion but He isn't going to honor our attempts to deal with it if we do it against His stated doctrines.

There is a right wing Christianity that is NOT charismania. We oppose abortion but we also oppose the charismatic movement.

abe: Put it this way: God's method is persuasion, to win people over, not war. If we are failing at persuasion to the point of considering war as a solution to the abortion problem it means we as a Church need to find out where we have lost God's will and get back in lne with Him.

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Chiroptera
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Message 109 of 129 (853394)
05-27-2019 9:20 AM
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05-27-2019 8:18 AM


Re: More threats from Right Wing traitors
I didn't mean to imply that I think all right wingers advocate civil war and violence. Sorry if it came across that way.

Like I said, the worries I have is that these people are out there and being vocal, and there maybe a nut with a gun who's going to get riled up.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Faith
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Message 110 of 129 (853502)
05-28-2019 4:14 AM
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05-27-2019 9:20 AM


Re: More threats from Right Wing traitors
Well, one gun nut with one gun shooting someone in the leg would probably put an end to the entire movement, so there's that.
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Message 111 of 129 (853519)
05-28-2019 12:00 PM
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05-28-2019 4:14 AM


Re: More threats from Right Wing traitors
Faith writes:

Well, one gun nut with one gun shooting someone in the leg would probably put an end to the entire movement, so there's that.


Not likely. Forty of them could accidentally shoot their own children and still call themselves responsible gun owners.

Izquierdo.

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foreveryoung
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Message 112 of 129 (853522)
05-28-2019 2:19 PM
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03-21-2018 5:32 PM


Do you know what terrorism is? As for conservatism, is there any proof the bombs were intended to further the cause of conservatism or to specifically harm people who supposedly impede conservative ideals. Were these 2 blacks the object of his hatred? Did he even know them?
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Message 113 of 129 (853523)
05-28-2019 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by foreveryoung
05-28-2019 2:19 PM


quote:

Do you know what terrorism is?

Yes. Are you really going to suggest that someone who plants bombs isn’t a terrorist ?

quote:

As for conservatism, is there any proof the bombs were intended to further the cause of conservatism or to specifically harm people who supposedly impede conservative ideals

What are you trying to say here ? Actually it looks like simple racism, which is a conservative cause. In his confession he gives no reason for choosing his targets, which argues against any personal motive.

quote:

Were these 2 blacks the object of his hatred? Did he even know them?

Since one bomb was on the street and triggered by a tripwire it’s certain that that one wasn’t targeted at someone in particular. To the best of my knowledge there’s no evidence of any personal motive against any of the people targeted, either.


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Message 114 of 129 (853524)
05-28-2019 2:41 PM
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05-28-2019 2:34 PM


Racism is not a conservative cause. That's smearing a political group with false accusations.
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PaulK
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Message 115 of 129 (853526)
05-28-2019 2:46 PM
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05-28-2019 2:41 PM


quote:

Racism is not a conservative cause. That's smearing a political group with false accusations.

It is certainly a right wing cause. And the far right seem to be accepted as conservatives these days.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 116 of 129 (853527)
05-28-2019 2:46 PM
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05-28-2019 2:41 PM


Racism is not a conservative cause.

Of course it is, we see it in their actions every day.

That's smearing a political group with false accusations.

They smear themselves by their own words and behavior.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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foreveryoung
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Message 117 of 129 (853528)
05-28-2019 2:51 PM
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05-28-2019 2:34 PM


Here is terrorism....the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Setting off bombs with no political purpose is not terrorism. Was it proven in this case that the bombs were set off for a political purpose? Hence...my line of questioning in the first post.


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Message 118 of 129 (853529)
05-28-2019 2:55 PM
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05-28-2019 2:51 PM


So if it kills people and scares the crap out of the public, but the bomber just loves loud noises it's not terrorism? Are you daft?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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foreveryoung
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Message 119 of 129 (853530)
05-28-2019 2:58 PM
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05-28-2019 2:46 PM


Saying it is so doesnt make it so. Deep seated hatred for right wingers does not make it any more true. You are just emptying your bile.
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ringo
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Message 120 of 129 (853531)
05-28-2019 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by foreveryoung
05-28-2019 2:51 PM


foreveryoung writes:

Setting off bombs with no political purpose is not terrorism.


Terrorism is an attempt to induce terror. It may or may not have political purposes. A bomb is by definition a random weapon which targets random people, which is likely to induce terror.

Izquierdo.

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