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Theodoric
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Message 206 of 531 (849420)
03-08-2019 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Hyroglyphx
03-07-2019 9:03 PM


Re: More on the Stephon Clark Shooting
This is the DA's report. It is not an independent investigation. Rolling Stone has been known to do very fine investigative reporting. It is actually something they are known for.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 234 of 531 (859470)
07-31-2019 7:10 PM


Not a shooting but the victim is just as dead and killed by police. Read the whole thing. It is horrifying.

https://www.dallasnews.com/...final-minutes-tony-timpas-life

quote:
Tony Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as Dallas police officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground.
“You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me!”
After Timpa fell unconscious, the officers who had him in handcuffs assumed he was asleep and didn’t confirm that he was breathing or feel for a pulse.
As precious minutes passed, the officers laughed and joked about waking Timpa up for school and making him waffles for breakfast.
Body camera footage obtained Tuesday by The Dallas Morning News shows first responders waited at least four minutes after Timpa became unresponsive to begin CPR. His nose was buried in the grass while officers claimed to hear him snoring — apparently unaware that the unarmed man was drawing his last breaths.
[…]
He had already been handcuffed by a private security guard before police arrived. He never threatens to hurt or kill the police.
The footage also shows the officers mocking Timpa as he struggled to live. Shortly after one officer ridicules Timpa’s repeated cries for help, an officer notes that he appears to be “out cold.”
They joke that he’s merely asleep and try to wake him: “It’s time for school. Wake up!”
One officer mimics a teen saying: “I don’t want to go to school! Five more minutes, Mom!”
They joke about buying him new shoes for the first day of school and making him a special breakfast, laughing loudly.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 257 of 531 (860871)
08-12-2019 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by DrJones*
08-12-2019 5:46 PM


Re: Dayton Shooting
5.56 is not much of a hunting round other than for varmints. Yes, people do use it for deer, but they are not ethical hunters. That being said by legislation in most states in the USA, hunting rifles can not hold more than five rounds.
Also, the Rem 700 is a bolt action rifle. Though the round is not more deadly because of the gun, the particular gun can make it more destructive.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 259 of 531 (860874)
08-12-2019 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by DrJones*
08-12-2019 6:24 PM


Re: Dayton Shooting
That does not mitigate the destructive power on humans of the round. How fast can someone kill with a bolt action with 5 rounds vs semi auto with 100 rounds. I think the point Percy made has merit. You seem to want to be a little pedantic and are getting lost in the weeds.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 272 of 531 (860938)
08-13-2019 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Percy
08-13-2019 5:34 PM


Re: Dayton Shooting
It is amazing how the ammosexuals do not ever quote the full 2nd amendment.
quote:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This too can be amended.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 274 of 531 (860941)
08-14-2019 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Percy
08-14-2019 8:48 AM


Re: Dayton Shooting
Agreed. I should have put that into my post. Ammosexuals some how completely disregard the first two clauses that dictate the extent of the right that shall not be infringed.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 288 of 531 (863355)
09-25-2019 4:11 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Hyroglyphx
09-24-2019 7:16 PM


Re: Another Example Why Police Shouldn't Have Guns
But you have no basis for this assumption. There is as of yet no evidence to back this scenario. Gut feelings have no bearing on actual facts.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 303 of 531 (863457)
09-26-2019 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by Percy
09-25-2019 6:58 PM


This is silly, but interestingly, cities are safer overall than rural areas.

Wingnuts and ammosexuals seem to not be able to understand the idea of geographic distribution of people. More violence geographically does not mean more violence per capita.

Edited by Theodoric, : Forgot not


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 326 of 531 (865441)
10-25-2019 9:31 AM


Summary execution
16 year old executed for defying authority. This just continues to show brown and black people that they need to do everything they can to evade police, because they will continue to be shot and killed for spurious and specious reasons.
https://www.theguardian.com/...tta-golding-fresno-california

quote:
The footage shows the teenager running from officers, jumping a fence, falling to the ground and continuing to flee. Murrietta-Golding was an estimated 35 feet away from the officers when one of them fired a single bullet into his head. The officer then hopped the fence, approached the boy’s limp body and handcuffed his hands behind his back...

“He’s unconscious and in the process of dying. What is the threat?” said Chandler. “They just saw him as an animal who had been shot. They hunted a target. It’s inhumane.”
A paramedic report showed that police declined to remove the handcuffs when an EMT arrived, with an officer saying police would only take them off later at the hospital.
Jerry Dyer, the Fresno police chief at the time of the shooting, has previously stated that the officer, Sgt Ray Villalvazo, thought “he was about to be shot”. Dyer claimed the teen “reached into his waistband several times”, according to the Fresno Bee. But the new footage, which Chandler obtained in the process of a civil lawsuit against the department, only shows him running away as he appears to be holding up his pants. He was unarmed...

The shooting happened nine months after Fresno police killed Dylan Noble, shooting the unarmed 19-year-old multiple times, including while he was lying on the ground, barely moving. Advocates have long argued that Fresno police need to focus on de-escalation and anti-bias training, and a 2017 American Civil Liberties Union report found that police shoot people of color at a hugely disproportionate rate in the city.



Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 328 of 531 (865514)
10-26-2019 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 327 by Hyroglyphx
10-26-2019 11:15 AM


Re: Summary execution
I wasn't going to even respond as you continue your practice of being a dishonest debater and misrepresent what people actually say. That you actually post what I wrote before you misrepresent it makes it more stunning.
make a declaration as poignant as police officers everywhere target "brown and black people,"

I never said that. You know I did not.
I said
me writes:

This just continues to show brown and black people that they need to do everything they can to evade police, because they will continue to be shot and killed for spurious and specious reasons.


This is something much different, but in your alt right world view it seems to be the same thing. It is not.

Fact 1: The decedent was a murder suspect whom they have been looking for extensively.

Not sure where you got this from. He was wanted for questioning about a murder, but I do not see anywhere that he was a "murder suspect". That doesnt matter anyway. No one is allowed to summarily execute someone because they are a murder subject. Not sure what this fact was supposed to prove?

Fact 2: They located the subject and initiated a felony traffic stop. The suspect first complied and when he was within about two feet from a cop he then decides it would be an awesome time to run away.

Running from a cop is not a capital offense. Again not sure what you think this shows or how it exonerates the cop?
Fact 3: The fleeing murder suspect is seen reaching towards his waistband numerous times.

Not sure why this is a capital offense. If a cop pulls a car over and a suspect starts reaching into his jacket, should they be shot? That seems to be what you are advocating. Please tell me why that would be different. There is no sense addressing the other facts. Just more of the same.

(facts that were so curiously omitted when describing the execution of brown and black people everywhere)

Again you misrepresent what I actually posted. These facts were in the article I linked to. There was no omission. If I was trying to hide those facts I would not have linked to the article. Not sure why you think this is a big gotcha. None of those facts change the argument I made. Also, again you are misrepresenting my argument. I never made any comment about black and brown people being executed everywhere. If all you have is strawman arguments maybe you should consider someplace else to hangout online.
Is it legal? Yes it is.

I don't think I posted anything about legality. How about you try to address what I posted and not strawman arguments.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005


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Message 337 of 531 (865559)
10-27-2019 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Hyroglyphx
10-26-2019 10:33 PM


Re: Summary execution
Well your personal attacks just reinforce my comments about your dishonest and logically fallacious arguments. I think the peanut gallery can see you in your bigotted, racist glory. I am done with trying to have a coherent respectful discussion with you. Your personal issues seem to remove an ability you have to partake in civil discourse. As I said before, if you dont want the bullshit you spew challenged maybe you shouldn't post here.

Good day, sir.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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