Religion or Science - How do they compare?

You can contend that but you've got no actual evidence of it. You have no more idea of God than I have. This is the point - you all make up your own God to suit yourselves.

Oh come on; you know the rules by now, i don't have to prove there isn't a god. You do not. Which is a damn shame because that's all you actually have. Well jolly good for you. But I have to say, I can't find any meaning in those words - it's the sort of preachie bollox spun by shamans to impress the gullible. You really must stop doing this, how the hell can I make up a lack of something? It's not there to be made up.Please argue honestly it doesn't do your cause any good to weasel around like this.

He knows because he's been told many times. But he keeps making the same logical errors.
(Let alone the fact that even if the logic led to such an intelligence, he still has 99% of the work left to do to show that this assumed intelligence has anything to do with his own interfering god and all that it entails with its 'bells and smells'.)But it does ask the question of why believers keep making the same mistakes when trying to make their case?I don't even know why they bother at all. If it was my belief I'd just claim it as a belief, why the hell try to rationalise it?

These days?For almost the entire time that the bible stories have existed virtually no one read them. Firstly beacuse the early parts are simple campfire talking stories not written down. Later because printing needed to be invented before it was cheap enough distribute widely and later still because only the priests could read.So the great unwashed got edited highlights from the pulpit and were told whatever was thought best to keep them in their place. Even in my time the mass was said in Latin.I bet very, very few so-called Christians have actually read the entire bible and those that have selectively read it. I've read it only once cover to cover. It's a shockingly immoral book in places and to think anyone could believe the early stuff about 7 days of creation, apples, snakes, floods and pillars of salt are literally true is depressing in this day and age.I wonder, when was the last time you read the bible end to end?

I don't believe that you believe that. But in any case, the evidence you provide here denies it. If he was, it would be obvious wouldn't it? The fact that it isn't obviuos should at least give you serious doubts. I mean, if this all powerfull all loving god was even remotely interested in your wellbeing don't you think you'd be less of a mess?

^^^ well that was a pile of made up apologetic nonsense wasn't it? In other words, god does nothing. Almost as though he doesn't exist isn't it?

Right, so you didn't make it up, they did. If he definitly does this then you should be able to point to definitive evidence of it. The huge problem here is that those that claim understanding and wisdom rarely actually demonstrate it. I'm assuming that you are including yourself in that 'we'? I have to say I've never met anyone with such a lack of reasoning ability and wisdom. And all the while congratulating yourself on it. It's quite a feat.

I don't believe that.I think every believer would absolutely love their beliefs to be supported by evidence - why wouldn't they? That's why they come here and make up all the garbage they can think of to 'prove' it. Faith being the poster child.The fact that they can't provide the evidence is what makes it a belief not a fact.

Reading the above, the thing that springs to mind is the greatly missed Hitch's staement that 'god created us sick and commanded us to be well'.And thinking about ICNT's blithering elsewhere about scientific knowledge in the bible 'there's nothing written in the bible that couldn't have been known by a person around at the time it was written.'

Quite possibly the most disgusting thing ever written on these boards. There is nothing Christian about you Faith.Despite the request for those that are without sin to cast the first stone, you'd be first in line wouldn't you?

The word you're looking for is 'can't, Right so you do want to defend yourself - are you now claiming humour? I've read what you wrote again, I'm still not seeing the funny side of public stonings. You said it Faith. I think you meant it and I note you're not denying it. It ain't Christian is it? Or maybe it is.No it's not, what it is is fundamentalist. The same fanaticism as all those people you hate. Which, let's be frank, is pretty much everyone isn't it?

People can and do believe absolutely anything won't they Phat? Doesn't this tell you something?

Doesn't that make you question the validity of what it is that you believe?

That's why we have secular law and regulation, to attempt to contain our excesses.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

You have to admit that some parts of the bible are actually evil though don't you?Purely as an accademic question, would the world be a better or a worse place if the Bible, the Torah and the Koran hadn't been written? My guess would be that so long as they had been replaced by a fair secular constitution it would have been. But it's part of our evolution as a civilisation. Well that starts with the presupposition that this god thing is real. But it's pretty obvious that the bible is man-made, hence all the problems resulting from it. God made things really ought to be better.