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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Perhaps you should take it upon yourself to explain what you mean. And how on earth does a split in a denomination in any way support the idea of general Protestant "wickedness?"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Lutheran Church did sincerely apologize for Luther's anti-Semitic outburst As if Luther's anti-Semitism was a one-time thing. You are aware that we only know about his beliefs because he wrote about them, right? The Roman church had incited Anti-Semitism for centuries, notably in Spain, and went on promoting pogroms and the like. Hitler's Catholicism played no small part in the Holocaust, he even said he modeled it on the Inquisition, not to mention the actual influence of the Pope in his day. However, as I understand it Luther had broken free of that influence to the extent of reaching out to the Jews. Of course he preached the gospel to them which didn't sit well. But it was the curses against Christ that he found in their Talmud that pushed him over the edge. That's what I've read. In any case there is no BIBLICAL justification for anti-Semitism. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are certainly no curses against Christ in the Tanakh because the Tanakh is the Bible. But there are blasphemies against Christ in the Babylonian Talmud, that perpetuate the story that he was a bastard born of the marital infidelity of Mary. She had to suffer that accusation by the Jews at the time.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes of course. At EvC no Christian truth goes unpunished.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Falsely quoting someone is a serious offense.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Wikipedia on JESUS IN THE TALMUD
Ehrman clarifies that the name "Son of Panthera" (Roman who allegedly was the seducer of Mary) was a tradition, as scholars have long recognized, that represented an attack on the Christian view, that he was the son of a virgin. In Greek, the term for virgin is parthenos, which is similar to panthera, implying that "son of panthera" is a pun on "son of a virgin".[55][56] The name "ben Stada", used for the same figure, is explained by Peter Schfer as a reference to his mother's supposed adultery:
His mother's true name was Miriam, and "Stada" is an epithet which derives from the Hebrew/Aramaic root sat.ah/sete' ("to deviate from the right path, to go astray, to be unfaithful"). In other words, his mother Miriam was also called "Stada" because she was a sotah, a woman suspected, or rather convicted, of adultery."[57] You may of course prefer to believe the denials in the same article, since as I said No Christian truth goes unpunished at EvC. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It only speaks volumes to those with a an ingrained prejudice against everything I say.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hilariously true to form.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It was an issue with SOUTHERN churches, period. LOCAL churches, and with individuals., You can't compare that to INSTITUTIOINAL doctrines. Buncha liberal Nazis.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think it explains a lot to realize that Luther had given up his Catholic based antisemitism. Too bad he lost his biblical focus when the Jews turned out to be blasphemers of Christ. Of course anti-Semitism persisted among some Protestants, but for the most part the pogroms and the other persecutions have been Catholic. They do have a top notch propaganda mathine going, they can even make it seem like Protestants were behind the Inquisition. In Downton Abbey for instance the Earl complains about the Catholics and then says he wouldn't want to burn them at the stake or torture them on the rack of coruse, as if it was Protestants who had done that and not the Catholics to the Protestants. Other such propaganda can be found in such sources.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Golly gosh, you mean the Jews objected to Ben Kokhba who as I understand it had gathered quite a large following of Jews in his day, but didn't complain about Jesus who by 50 AD had gathered a really really huge following, Jesus they called the "son of Mary" to insinuate He was a bastard, Jesus they had accused of being inspired by the devil, Jesus they tried to kill for saying He was God, and Jesus whom they did finally have put to death, asking not for His release but for Barabbas.' And Jesus about whom they started the rumor that His disciples had stolen HIm from the tomb. Na, they had no motive to slander Him in their Talmud. And of course Luther didn't have any provocation from the Jews at all, they were just SO nice about Jesus.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Revisionism reigns when fear of retribution is likely.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't say it was.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But that doesn't stop you from insinuating that I've got the facts wrong, does it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah, that's because at EvC everybody denies the evils I've pointed out, the really really bad evils, and instead makes a huge big deal about some bad Protestants, or even a mere slipup by a good Protestant, while accusing me of being a bigot for telling the truth. Protestantism as a movement is nothing at all like Catholicism or Islam, its doctrines are all peaceable unlike theirs, but the Liberal Nazis here have to pretend it is. Yes, liberalism is really today's Nazism.
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