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Message 1 of 70 (832143)
04-29-2018 8:15 AM


Maybe if we move really slowly and stick to only one piece of evidence at a time Faith or some other believer in a Biblical Flood can finally explain just how the flood do that.

I'd like to stick to only ten specific items and work through the list only moving to the next item after a workable model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that can be seen in action today has been presented to explain how the flood did that specific example.

The initial list:


  1. The Landscape seen in this image:

  2. Capitan Reef

  3. Layered salt deposits separated by sediment layers

  4. The cross bedding seen in this picture

  5. The White Cliffs of Dover

Once these five small examples are explained then we can move on to another set of evidence that needs a floodist explanation.

Probably Geology & The Great Flood although it is almost certain things that once lived will get added to the list even more than as shown already.

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Edited by jar, : add text to first image


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Message 3 of 70 (832148)
04-30-2018 9:39 AM
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04-30-2018 9:33 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Initiate The Explanations
Nope. Any conventional explanation is pretty much irrelevant to this thread. The point is
How do the FLUD do it?"

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Message 5 of 70 (832162)
04-30-2018 11:13 AM
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04-30-2018 11:04 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Initiate The Explanations
Faith writes:

Basically, the first point is that God did it. Somehow. Some way.
The second point is that what science calls evidence is simply an interpretation and ultimately a belief.

Then if that is all she has she has an opportunity here to admit she has nothing but the dogma of her Cult.


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Message 7 of 70 (832165)
04-30-2018 11:20 AM
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04-30-2018 11:14 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Initiate The Explanations
She can try something that stupid if she wishes, but the topic is "How the flood did it" not how things actually happened.

It's time she or those who believe there was a Biblical Flood actually stopped whining and dancing and presented the model, method mechanism process and procedures that created what exists in reality.


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Message 9 of 70 (832167)
04-30-2018 11:33 AM
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04-30-2018 11:26 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Initiate The Explanations
LOL

Not at all. Faith can simply say "GodDidIt" or "Bubblegum" or "It was a miracle".

But it is up to those who support the Biblical Flood nonsense to explain "How the Flud Did It".


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Message 11 of 70 (832175)
04-30-2018 12:08 PM
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04-30-2018 11:59 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Initiate The Explanations
Finally. Yes, this topic is "An attempt to let Flood supporters explain how things were created". It's time that they stopped simply posting word salad and explained how each specific example in the first five items were created and do so one item at a time.


  1. The Landscape seen in this image:

  2. Capitan Reef

  3. Layered salt deposits separated by sediment layers

  4. The cross bedding seen in this picture

  5. The White Cliffs of Dover

Once these five small examples are explained then we can move on to another set of evidence that needs a floodist explanation.

The items need to be specifically addressed in order and only after the explanation for the first item and any necessary clarification has been provided should we move on to item two.


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Message 13 of 70 (832318)
05-02-2018 9:49 AM


BUMP
I guess no flood supporters can explain how the Biblical Flood creates what we find in reality.

And there were so many more examples I'd hoped they could explain too.

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Message 14 of 70 (832448)
05-03-2018 5:23 PM


Bump.
Here is a chance for those who think a Biblical Flood actually happened to explain how the flood created the evidence that exists in reality.

Bueller?

Bueller?

Bueller?


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Message 15 of 70 (832551)
05-05-2018 8:33 AM


Bump!
Here is a chance for those who think a Biblical Flood actually happened to explain how the flood created the evidence that exists in reality.

Bueller?

Bueller?

Bueller?


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Message 17 of 70 (832563)
05-05-2018 12:20 PM
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05-05-2018 11:37 AM


Re: Bump!
It's not trying to force anyone into logic, reason or reality; it's the fact that reality ultimately wins 100% of the time.

If supporters of one of the Biblical Flood stories expect anyone to consider a Biblical Flood as reality they MUST support that position by showing how the Biblical Flood produced the reality that exists.

They assert that some Biblical Flood happened.

They have NEVER been able to provide a model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that can explain the reality that exists.

This is their chance. If they do not take it I will simply refer any claims they make back to this thread.


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Message 18 of 70 (832600)
05-05-2018 5:48 PM


Adding another five examples of reality that needs explaining.
Since it seems that those who believe there was some Biblical Flood have not presented a model, method mechanism, process or procedure that would allow a flood to create the evidence shown so far; maybe they will do better with some other examples.


  1. This fossil sand dune seen in this image:

  2. Half Dome:

  3. Banded Ironstone:

  4. Layered Erratic Rocks:

  5. The Layered Chalk Beds of Kansas:

Once these five small examples are explained then we can return to the first examples or move on to another set of evidence that needs a floodist explanation.


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Message 21 of 70 (832648)
05-07-2018 8:27 AM
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05-07-2018 12:12 AM


There is no issue with beliefs.
Then simply say "You believe there was a world-wide flood during the time humans existed." Just don't expect anyone else to believe that unless you can present actual evidence beyond the contradictory versions of the flood found in the Bible stories.

There is no problem with believing there was such a flood, or in fairies or gremlins or unicorns or things that go bump in the night.

The issue is when someone claims such things are not simply beliefs but instead factual.

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Message 23 of 70 (832652)
05-07-2018 10:14 AM
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05-07-2018 10:05 AM


Re: There is no issue with beliefs.
Faith writes:

This kneejerk definition of the word "belief" with "imaginary" is false both logically and linguistically.

Nonsense.

Unless someone can provided evidence of an item believed to exist actual existence in reality it remains simply a belief.


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Message 26 of 70 (832665)
05-07-2018 1:58 PM
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05-07-2018 12:08 PM


Re: There is no issue with beliefs.
NoNukes writes:

In the case of some beliefs, like the Flood, the beliefs are held despite the knowledge of the evidence to the contrary. I think that is plenty of reason to call the belief false even if you apply the "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" canard.

That is true BUT that does not change the truth that the person might believe in the flood.

The belief itself is real even though the object of the belief is imaginary. In the case of the Biblical Flood the evidence is overwhelming that it is fictional.

The problem arises when they try to pretend that the belief is not imaginary. Once they try top insert the belief into reality they need to present evidence to support that reality.

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Message 29 of 70 (832691)
05-08-2018 6:55 AM
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05-08-2018 4:34 AM


Please try to present information relative to the topic.
As usual and as expected you are once again simply making shit up and misrepresenting what is in the Bible.

You are also once again and as expected failing to provide the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that would address the specific items in the order they are presented in the thread.

If you are totally incapable of following even the most basic instructions perhaps you should return to the non-science forums.

From the OP:

quote:
Maybe if we move really slowly and stick to only one piece of evidence at a time Faith or some other believer in a Biblical Flood can finally explain just how the flood do that.

I'd like to stick to only ten specific items and work through the list only moving to the next item after a workable model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that can be seen in action today has been presented to explain how the flood did that specific example.


If you wish to participate in this thread please begin by presenting the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that explains the image in Item 1.

Edited by jar, : moderate annoyances


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