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Message 46 of 198 (833116)
05-17-2018 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
05-17-2018 8:05 AM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
To have a better understanding of “establishment of religion” you should read Memorial and Remonstrance

It does not have to mean a State Church. You really ought to familiarise yourself with the relevant history - and it doesn’t get much more relevant than this.


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Message 50 of 198 (833120)
05-17-2018 8:57 AM
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05-17-2018 8:52 AM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
The whole point is to argue against government support for religion.
That is what is meant by establishment.

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Message 54 of 198 (833124)
05-17-2018 9:08 AM
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05-17-2018 9:00 AM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
Or maybe your sources are being deceptive - or worse.

Or maybe the judicial interference actually went the other way, and the real intent is more properly reflected by current legal thinking.


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Message 67 of 198 (833170)
05-18-2018 7:48 AM
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05-18-2018 7:25 AM


Re: Madison's treatise against state support for Christianity
I note that you still manage to miss both my point and Madison’s.

Madison was protesting against a bill which would see Christian ministers - except for Quakers or “Menonists” - supported by tax monies raised by the state government.

And this was considered - by Madison - to be an establishment of religion.


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Message 69 of 198 (833172)
05-18-2018 7:51 AM
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05-18-2018 7:49 AM


Re: Madison's treatise against state support for Christianity
Then I am glad that you have changed your mind. Establishment does not require a state church.

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Message 119 of 198 (833269)
05-19-2018 12:41 AM
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05-18-2018 9:08 PM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
But you don’t trust Muslims. If you try to forcibly convert them they are allowed to pretend to go along with it!

(Since you say you aren’t interested in forcibly converting them it’s hard to see why you’d worry about it. But you are)

And even in debate you like to make false accusations. We’ve all seen how you treat Edge to use one egregious and common example.


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