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Message 18 of 877 (833866)
05-27-2018 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
05-27-2018 2:39 AM


Faith writes:

So I'm asking what's the evidence this is based on?

I find myself getting angry at this. Really, really pissed off.

You've been here 17 years. You've been presented with evidence for every possible argument made. Many, many times. And here you are asking for it yet again as though you've just arrived.

How can you possibly ask this question with a straight face? Are you just the longest standing Poe in internet history?

You complain that the simplified answered are too simple and the source material is too technical. Yet somehow you manage to convince yourself that the real scientists - all those hundreds of thousands of people that DO understand the material and actual do the painstaking research - are wrong.

How do you do that Faith? How do you think you can declare a scientific expert wrong whilst simultaneously telling us that you don't understand what s/he's saying?

You do all this having never qualified in any subject so you literally have no comprehension what it takes to research and publish a paper in any discipline. It's utterly hopleless; you're simply delusional and I'm wondering what we think we're doing repeatedly discussing this stuff with you.

We're as cracked as you are.


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Message 54 of 877 (833938)
05-28-2018 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
05-28-2018 12:14 PM


Re: Nope, it's not for the "scientifically literate" and the public deserves more respect
Faith writes:

SO WHAT?

So the world isn't going to bow to your ignorance.

I guess it annoys the flat earthers that globes don't come with disclaimers that their shape doesn't conform to their dumb-beyond-the-powers-of-expression, personal beliefs too.


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Message 82 of 877 (834002)
05-29-2018 2:46 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
05-28-2018 11:35 PM


Re: A Digression to define the Theory of Evolution
Faith writes:

Is all this acceptable as a definition of the Theory of Evolution? Any objections?

After 17 years telling us why the Theory of Evolution is wrong you're asking for definitions?

Groundhog day. Again.


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Message 94 of 877 (834027)
05-29-2018 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
05-29-2018 11:41 AM


Re: A Digression to define the Theory of Evolution
Faith writes:

Thanks to RAZD and PaulK for explaining how the definition of evolution I posted in Message 80 is not acceptable. I'm certainly glad I asked.

It's perfectly acceptable as a simple explanation of Darwin's theory and suits its audience and the question asked. The question wasn't to fully define the theory of evolution, it asked for an explanation of what Darwin's theory was. So it's not going to include genetic drift - 'cos Darwin knew nothing of genes - and you're not going to see a fairly standard dictionary definition like this for the same reason.

quote:
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, often resulting in the development of new species. The mechanisms of evolution include natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, mutation, migration, and genetic drift.

If you want a more robust and thoroughgoing scientific definition of the modern theory you go to an authorative accademic source. But then you'd complain that it's too technical.

May I now ask how it can be that a source that calls itself scientific can give an unacceptable definition of evolution?

See above. But then, if you had actually tried to understand what people have been saying to you for the last 17 years, you'd already know this.


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Message 107 of 877 (834048)
05-29-2018 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
05-29-2018 5:19 PM


Re: Formation of walls quite clearly fits the Flood model
Faith writes:

It wasn't rock, we're talking receding Flood here, it was just-deposited sediments, compacted but still wet and malleable.

Oops.

Sedimental mud becomes rock? Didn't I read you saying that can't happen?

And in this case sediment turns to rock without any heat or pressure from above. And in a few years. Was that a miracle?

And meanders form how? From a raging flood or because the river has slowed down so much that a slight obstacle will change its course?


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 218 of 877 (834217)
06-01-2018 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
06-01-2018 9:13 AM


Re: Lithostratigraphy and chronostratigraphy
^^^ Jesus H Christ, all hope is lost.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Message 224 of 877 (834227)
06-01-2018 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Faith
06-01-2018 2:12 PM


Re: Lithostratigraphy and chronostratigraphy
Faith writes:

especially since I'm right and you're wrong about this.

This is as wrong as you've ever been. This is so wrong it leaves normals speechless. As wrong as an enormous wrong thing. A stupendously lack of incomprehension of even the very basics.


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 321 of 877 (834335)
06-03-2018 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Faith
06-03-2018 3:06 PM


Re: Geo Column, Depositional Environments, etc
Fiath, if you put a heavy iron on a creased and crumpled towel what happens?

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Message 325 of 877 (834340)
06-03-2018 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by Faith
06-03-2018 4:56 PM


Re: Geo Column, Depositional Environments, etc
Faith writes:

If you pile a lot of loose sediment on top of a dry salt lake you'll get a lot of loose sediment in the cracks and not much effect on the straightness factor. If you pile a lot of loose sediment on top of a broad flat field with grass and other green things growing on it you'll get a lot of dead grass under the sediment. or rotted grass if it's wet.

And if this later of sediment is 100ft deep, or 100m, or 1m? What then?


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 347 of 877 (834364)
06-04-2018 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by Faith
06-04-2018 7:16 AM


Re: Geo Column, Depositional Environments, etc
Faith writes:

You get pressed-in creases and crumples.

A bit like Edge's image then? Flat layers with flttened creases and crumples?


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Message 350 of 877 (834368)
06-04-2018 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by Faith
06-04-2018 8:20 AM


Re: Geo Column, Depositional Environments, etc
Faith writes:

They do look crumpled but not flattened, so no.

So no straight falt lines in there then? No flat contacts? No flattened ridges and no infills? Are we looking at the same photo?

What do you think a photo of that section of rock would look like from the distance? Maybe like horizontal flat lines?


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 357 of 877 (834376)
06-04-2018 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by Faith
06-04-2018 9:43 AM


Re: Geo Column, Depositional Environments, etc
Faith writes:

I never said ALL the strata were flat, just most and that those in that picture I kept posting are extremely flat and straight; let's not stray too far from that example.

Yes, flat and straight. You know, like we keep saying they generally are.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 397 of 877 (834454)
06-06-2018 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by edge
06-06-2018 11:09 AM


edge writes:

The notion that the 'geological column' is 'over and done with' is as sillly as they come. One of the things we learn from events like the eruption of Kilauea is that geological processes that have gone on for at least the last half billion years continue today. Sedimentation driven by tectonism, erosion and deposition continue as before. Mountains rise, water erodes and sediments are carried to the sea.

It's the most boneheaded thing Faith has said....recently.

I was in Iceland before and after the Eyjafjallajökull volcano blew up. The ash was many feet deep in places and covered a huge area. Volcanic ash now on top of sedement. There's also now an island just off the coast that wasn't there before. Seems to me that's an addition to the record.

Ash cloud coverage.

It changed the landscape.


Upper: Ash covers the Thórsmörk valley in early June 2010, immediately after the eruption Lower: The same area, in September 2011

I note that the valley is flat...


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 417 of 877 (834483)
06-06-2018 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Faith
06-06-2018 4:32 PM


Faith writes:

Nothing to do with the geo column. I never said the earth stopped moving and erupting but it has nothing to do with the geo column.

Eh?

Ignoring the layer of volcanic ash now sitting on many square miles of the land we have a whole new island rising out of the bloody ocean. That is now part of the column. Before it wasn't. Ergo, the column is still forming.


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 720 of 877 (835192)
06-19-2018 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 717 by Faith
06-19-2018 12:46 PM


Re: Evidence of the Flood writ large
Faith writes:

... but I've come to think that we're looking at the devastated remains of what must originally have been a spectacular beauty and order now utterly lost.

Yes, just like the Dark Lord Sauron would have done to Hobbiton if he hadn't been stopped by Frodo and Sam with the help of the Fellowship.

Luckily the Shire survived in all its homely loveliness


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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