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Author Topic:   Motley Flood Thread (formerly Historical Science Mystification of Public)
JonF
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Message 109 of 877 (834050)
05-29-2018 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
05-29-2018 5:12 PM


Re: Formation of walls quite clearly fits the Flood model
You left out an explanation of a critical question. How would a fludde produce narrow, deep, "incised meanders" as shown in the image you posted?
Meanders form where the flow is slow. For complicated but well-understood reasons, they erode the outer bank and deposit on the inner bank.
In soft unlithified deposits, that erosion/deposition moves the main channel outward and increases the curvature of the bend. The meanders don't get deep because they are moving horizontally over the terrain so they don't hang around on each particular plot so it can't erode the bottom much.
The end result is often an oxbow lake and cutting a new main channel. Happened all the time on Mark Twain's Mississippi.
But if the meanders are on hard lithified rock, the erosion/deposition cycle is very very slow. The meander spends much more time on each plot of land. It erodes material from its bottom, very slowly, and carries it downstream. As the water sinks lower the old outer and inner banks move down, and the meander doesn't erode the former banks any more. So the meander eventually gets deep with near-vertical walls.
Therefore the image above is of meanders cut through pretty hard rock.

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Message 136 of 877 (834089)
05-30-2018 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
05-29-2018 9:10 PM


Re: Formation of walls quite clearly fits the Flood model
Covered better in other messages
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Message 222 of 877 (834225)
06-01-2018 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by dwise1
06-01-2018 1:27 PM


Re: Lithostratigraphy and chronostratigraphy
Everyone has difficulty grokking huge or tiny numbers. Faith has a triple dose of that difficulty.

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Message 520 of 877 (834700)
06-10-2018 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 507 by Faith
06-09-2018 11:07 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
The statement is true, all these things exist and they are caused by erosion.
Yes. And erosion causes other things. Such as flat plains where the material is deposited.

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JonF
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Message 534 of 877 (834721)
06-10-2018 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Faith
06-10-2018 3:28 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
Yes. And erosion causes other things. Such as flat plains where the material is deposited.
Absolutely irrelevant to the point I'm making and therefore nothing but obfuscation
It's crucial to the point you tried to make. You denied erosion causing flat surfaces. You listed some other things erosion causes, implying those are all that it causes. I pointed out that ain't so.
You can list other things caused by erosion till the cows come home, it still won't be a refutation of erosion causing flat surfaces. Or even relevant.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 535 of 877 (834722)
06-10-2018 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 532 by Faith
06-10-2018 3:49 PM


Your uninformed opinion is neither evidence nor refutation.

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JonF
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Message 552 of 877 (834742)
06-10-2018 5:19 PM
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06-10-2018 4:30 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
You have lost the thread.
Edge wrote "All of these are intermediate products. The ultimate product of erosion is a coastal plain." You replied with a list of things caused by erosion omitting "coastal plain". Implying that erosion does not produce flat surfaces.
OThat is what I am addressing.

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Message 554 of 877 (834744)
06-10-2018 5:40 PM
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06-10-2018 5:29 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
I just replied to what you wrote. If you don't want to discuss a topic don't raise it. If

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Message 557 of 877 (834747)
06-10-2018 5:56 PM
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06-10-2018 5:42 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
I provided the context. It was Edge saying that erosion ultimately causes flat plains. Which you denied.

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Message 563 of 877 (834757)
06-10-2018 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 562 by Faith
06-10-2018 7:44 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
OK.

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Message 821 of 877 (835441)
06-23-2018 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 820 by ringo
06-23-2018 2:05 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
For one thing, the volcanism wasn't under water. There's distinct and obvious differences between lava solidified under water and in the air. So it was after the Fludde receded.

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