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But I thought we're talking about how the meander formed, and that would have happened long after the two miles of strata 9not just water) above that level had drained away, leaving the stream that became the meander. What point are you making here? I'm just trying to show how the recedeing Flood could have reached a level where it could have formed the meander that actually exists. I've pictured the water reduced to that level already. Well you might have seen it if you'd been around at the time of the Flood. Sheesh. I don't have to have a sheet flow, but what is this supposed evidence I'm supposedly lacking? And again, how do you know that? Whatever.ABE: Overall I have the question why you keep saying my scenario lacks this or that evidence, the gravel, the turbulence, the back flooding and so on and so forth. You are imaginging the Flood being appreciably different from whatever you think formed the meander and I have no idea why. Seems to me whatever you see now could just as well be explained by the scenario of water left running across a plateau after the Flood as by water from any other source. Sheet flow isn't necessary so I can drop that but I still wonder what evidence you think would be there if it had occurred. /ABEEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Interesting article about the Hopi Lake theory. I was particularly interested in this point Dickinson makes: I keep trying to locate exactly where the Kaibab Uplift is because it is a big part of my own scenario. Perhaps it is the Kaibab Plateau but I haven't been able to pin it down.Anyway as I picture it the uplift occurs at the end of the Flood when there are two miles worth of sedimentary layers on top of the Kaibab Plateau and the whole canyon area. The uplift creates strain on the upper strata as they are pushed upward, causing cracks that eventually form the canyon. The upper strata break up and wash away, some of it into the cracks which scour out the canyon area.This scenario solves the problem of the barrier that exists today since it wouldn't have existed then. By the tine the Flood has receded the canyon is pretty well formed and deeper than the surrounding area so that water channeling through it continues to cut and scour.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It shows a five=foot wall of water destroying everything in its path. What planet do you live on? Only on your weird planet. The canyon is already mostly cut by this time. If you'd followed my scenario described so many times you'd know that. Strata about two miles deep above this area have been breaking up and washing away with the receding Flood water. By the time we're down to the level of the Kaibab Plateau tons of strata have been washed away both around the canyon area and through it. What is now happening is farther east on a flat plateau after all that has happened. There is still water draining but much much less. One stream running across a plateau starts forming the meander which eventually connects with the water running through the canyon.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Makes zero sense to me, moose, why any landscape, meaning any current surface of the world would be sitting on a unique flat sedimentary deposit. Such as this Permian landscape: Then there is the problem of how the landscape went away and left the slab of rock that is found in a stack of other slabs of rock all supposedly representing their own specific landscapes and time period. And as I usually also point out, nothing could have survived such a transformation if it happened so there wouldn't have been anything living to pass on its genes so evolution would come to a halt at that point anyway. No, they didn't all up and move to some other location.l This is where they're all buried. No matter how I look at it the whole thing is just absurd. It didn't haopen.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

If a whole time period dies out, plants decay and the whole thing goes away so that there is nothing but a bare rock with dead things in it, that's the same as everything on Earth dying. I understand this is a difficult scenario to sort out but your abusive language is out of line, especially since I'm right and you're wrong about this.

Article by Emil Silvestru at Creation website:Caves and AgeIt appears we have a conflict between common sense and radiometric dating here. Not a problem for the Hopi Lake spillover theoryThere's more at the web page

Well, as long as you prefer to vilify me and refuse to explain I'm all the more convinced of my view of this. The thing is it is SO absurd that I suppose you just can't bring yourself to face it. There is no way a sedimentary rock could possibly represent a time period. It's all the doing of an overheated imagination that was never thought through from this angle. Lithostratigraphy versus Chronostratigraphy can't resolve this problem.The strata were simply laid down one after another killing everything that lived on the land. There were never time periods, there was the pre-Flood earth and the post-Flood earth and that's it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm not interested in the spillover idea, wasn't that clear? I understand it's popular with some creationists but I like my own scenario better.I also have no clue about the braided river theory.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

My point was that I don't know anything about the Hopi Lake theory and haven't thought about it. It would take a lot of water rushing in all at once to carve the canyon, so if the lake theory doesn't provide enough then it doesn't provide enough. As for lots of water over a long period of time as I already said I don't see how water running in a narrow track would carve the great width of the canyon. Other rivers running in narrow tracks elsewhere just keep running in the track, they don't widen the area they are running in. So does a braided river explain the width? I don't know where they get that. Right. I can't register a complaint like that, can I? Just not acceptable to find fault with how science is presented to the public. I now have to be hit with the same accusation over and over.I'm working out a theory, they have their theory and shouldn't be presenting it as fact when it's obviously fiction.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Lots of absurdity. No matter when in the "time period" the sediment was deposited the same problem exists. You can't end up with a flat rock without everything in the time period dying. You can't get a flat rock anyway from such a situation. And each time period's having a rock unto itself is beyond absurd.

The time period landscapes ARE fiction, they are made-up stories and that IS obvious.Looked at one of your links, no clue there what you are talking about. Any rivers there that widened their track eighteen miles?

Cambrian, Silurian, Carboniferous, Permian, Triassic etc. are properly "time periods." Not eras, periods.How do they get buried in that deeply buried material that becomes the rock that preserves their fossil remains? So you're saying it's a previous period? Then how do you explain their having their own new specific sedimentary layer, how does it get so flat when most of the world is pretty hilly and lumpy? Do you suppose all the rocks formed from a very flat landscape? How does such a deeply buried sediment become a flat rock in a stack of flat rocks at all, but without everything dying where it now exists? None of this is remotely possible.All those time periods do have a rock to themselves. That's how the whole idea of time periods came about at all: no rock, no time period.

Here's a mountain that was formed by erosion from a huge flat plain covering a great depth of stacked strata. There are lots of these mountains in the western US. Such nice straight flat layers, such clearly different kinds of sediments, such an unlikely way for a time period to end up... And what a weird thought that the whole geologic column got stacked up like this with a flat top to it BEFORE the erosion turned it all into mountains and canyons and cliffs and hoodoos and monuments and arches and other interesting shapes...Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

And they'd have to be exposed and cleaned off to become a rock in the stack of rocks known as the geological column, and in becoming the rock, whenever that happens, nothing could live there.OK, so not just A rock per time period, a whole formation of stacked rocks per time period. Same problem.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sorry for the phrase "lot of water" but honestly Percy for you to turn that into a tsunami when I was trying to get to a meander is major deceit.