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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sure other creationists have or will produce whatever is required to explain it.
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edge Member (Idle past 1956 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I can't accept such an explanation of something in the past no matter how logical it seems since it can't be proved, it can only be hypothesized, and there have to be mitigating factors that you are not taking into account.
It must be a personal issue then. Most people have no problem accepting that the aggregate volcanism on he planet had to have happened over a very long period of time. The evidence Pollux has given you is that there is life on earth.
I'll stick to what I know I can prove.
I suppose that would be quite easy if you ignore a whole lot of data.
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edge Member (Idle past 1956 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I'm sure other creationists have or will produce whatever is required to explain it.
Well, they've had a lot of time to work on it and from my direct experience they have only failed miserably.
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Pollux Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 303 Joined:
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How much easier it was to be a Floodist 200 years ago. You just had to magic in water and then blow it away.
Since then you have had to explain : - fossil order - unconformities especially angular ones - ice ages - current flora and fauna distribution - miraculously produce : - Plate tectonics and explain all its associated problems - Accelerated radioactive decay (which under FFP has to occur after the Flood finished) This has to be explained for the Sun, Moon , and stars also. - disposal of the heat from accelerated RA decay - a way that plate tectonics and RA decay change together so that it looks like long ages are shown. e.g. seamount chains -probably others I can't think of at present. Why would the Flood need accelerated plate tectonics and RA decay anyway? It is such a pity for YEC that all problems vanish as soon as it is realised long time is involved.
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Pollux Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 303 Joined: |
As I have previously said, the Seventh-day Adventist's Geoscience Research Institute admitted in 2010, not for the first time , that after more than 60 years trying they could not produce a model or mechanism that explained geology by YEC and the Flood.
I believe invisible pink unicorns dance on the ceiling above my bed. I am sure that one day I will be able to get evidence for them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why would the Flood need accelerated plate tectonics and RA decay anyway? Because the Americas had to travel some 3000 miles from Europe and Africa in about 4500 years to get to their present position.
It is such a pity for YEC that all problems vanish as soon as it is realised long time is involved. There are problems with that long time in lots of other ways though, and you guys who so blithely conjure all those millions of years don't bother with trying to understand it all from the point of view of the God who made you and made it all. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1956 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Because the Americas had to travel some 3000 miles from Europe and Africa in about 4500 years to get to their present position.
And so it obviously didn't happen that way. And actually, your time-frame is less than that since we have been able to observe the planet reliably for at least a thousand years and no CPT has ever been noticed.
There are problems with that long time in lots of other ways though, and you guys who so blithely conjure all those millions of years don't bother with trying to understand it all from the point of view of the God who made you and made it all.
So, you're not going to tell us how old ages are problems in 'lots of other ways'? You realize that you just made an unsupported assertion?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You don't need the millions of years ascribed to evolution, and even a lot less than that would have led to extinction of all life on the planet by now..
What is CPT? Never mind: Catastrophic Plate Tectonics. What would you expect to see in a thousand years if CPT was correct? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1956 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
What would you expect to see in a thousand years if CPT was correct?
In the sense of all volcanism happening in that time-frame? A sterile planet.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I wasn't asking about volcanism, but never mind.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17909 Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
quote: It’s a bit hard to consider something that we have no way of knowing. We can’t even know if there is a God to have an opinion. But I’m pretty sure that if there is He’d prefer us to honestly investigate the evidence instead of inventing lies to support false dogma. But if you feel differently please make the case.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17909 Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
quote: So much for sticking to things you can prove. Need is irrelevant although long-term evolution - and even short term evolution require longer than you assume. And since the evidence tells us that it has been that long your uninformed theoretical speculations can and should be rejected.
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Pollux Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 303 Joined: |
Because volcanism is an integral part of plate tectonics Edge's comment is pretty apt. But first, it is your hypothesis so you should make some testable prediction based on it. How fast are the plates moving?
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How did the flood produce wind blown cross bedded sand dunes?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Because volcanism is an integral part of plate tectonics Edge's comment is pretty apt. But first, it is your hypothesis so you should make some testable prediction based on it. How fast are the plates moving? When he said they know about CPT over the last thousand years I expected him to say something about CPT, not volcanoes. My mistake. I calculated the rate a long time ago and I don't keep track of things very well so I'm not sure I could even go through it all again. But here's what I remember concluding: Between Europe and America it starts out spreading at twenty feet per day, ten on each side of the Atlantic ridge, and slows to its present rate over 4500 years having widened the Atlantic to 3000 miles. I had fun figuring out how wide the Atlantic was at different times in history, and even the Mediterranean Sea. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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