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Topic: Time Dilation, the Hubble Shift and God's Eternal Universe
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 21 of 189 (862744)
09-12-2019 12:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by AZPaul3
09-12-2019 12:12 AM
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Re: Final Paper Has Been Published
It's not just the pseudoscience, they clearly do not understand the purpose of peer review.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 23 of 189 (862748)
09-12-2019 1:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Captcass
09-12-2019 12:41 AM
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Re: Final Paper Has Been Published
You seem to be the one filled with hate. You have nothing I envy. And I've published in journals that had real peer review. If you want to do science then you have to actually do science. Sorry you didn't get the reception you were hoping for...
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 25 of 189 (862750)
09-12-2019 2:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Captcass
09-12-2019 2:08 AM
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Re: Final Paper Has Been Published
Well, this is not a spiritual site, so-called or otherwise. I read your paper. If you can't take criticisms, boohoo.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 35 of 189 (862764)
09-12-2019 2:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 34 by Captcass
09-12-2019 2:20 PM
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Re: Who?
Besides, you need to keep your line free. The Nobel committee will be calling any time.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 44 of 189 (862778)
09-12-2019 9:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Captcass
09-12-2019 2:08 AM
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Re: Final Paper Has Been Published
| Sorry. Again. mainstream is lamestream. |
You know, insulting behavior is hardly what I normally expect from someone who just announced the publication of the paper that will completely change humanity's understanding of the Universe, cosmology, physics, and astrophysics forever. | No progress in over 100 years because you do not understand what you are seeing. |
A bold claim, but of course you have absolutely no knowledge of what I understand or what I am seeing. | Please read the paper and stop being nasty. |
I read the paper and I have not started being nasty, YET. You are the one who went on a rant making nasty assertions about my character. | You said, "If you want to do science then you have to actually do science." Trouble is, to you, "science" means "accepting ridiculous theories for truth". You are equating your idiotic theories to the "truth", i.e., "science". The 2 do not equate. |
So, you're the one making ignorant, insulting, and false accusations about how I define science and blabbing about "truth", yet I am the one being nasty? If you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously, you need to tone down the insults and up the intellectual level of your discussion. So far, your explosion into a rant at the first criticism seems more likely to convince everyone that you are nothing but another crank.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 45 of 189 (862779)
09-12-2019 9:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 42 by jar
09-12-2019 8:52 PM
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Re: Facts not truth
| Good. It seems the Humor injection is beginning to work. Remember though you will need a regular booster shot if you wish to continue displaying such delightful jocularity. |
Don't forget that "Simple fact is, he has forgotten more than you will ever know...." 
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 56 of 189 (862795)
09-13-2019 11:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Captcass
09-13-2019 11:03 AM
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Re: Interesting
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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 59 of 189 (862800)
09-13-2019 12:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Captcass
09-13-2019 11:03 AM
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Re: Interesting
"....... there is an immediate and compelling reason to believe that there is something fundamentally flawed in our current model of the universe."
Because they are looking at it astro-physically rather than as an evolving quantum field. |
And??? | As per the mud slinging. Mea Culpa and I apologize for losing my cool..... |
I guess you didn't realize that the peer review process does not end at publication. If you read scientific journals after a controversial paper is published you will see that there are often (sometimes lasting for years) letters and articles asking for clarifications and also maybe challenging specific or general conclusions. Peer review functions to improve a report so that all terminology is logically defined and all conclusions are supported by observations and evidence. Acting all insulted, when people ask questions or make critical comments is not going to help anyone understand what you are trying to communicate. Maybe your writing is not as clear and your conclusions are not as obvious to the readers as you think and attacking the reader's intelligence and character is hardly professional nor clarifying.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 62 of 189 (862804)
09-13-2019 12:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by Captcass
09-13-2019 11:44 AM
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Re: Interesting
| There is also the possibility it was a strong base. |
Well, soap is a pretty strong base. | I was a bitter atheist at the time |
I haven't heard of a "bitter atheist" before, but what does any of that have to do with chemistry?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 63 of 189 (862805)
09-13-2019 12:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by ringo
09-13-2019 12:02 PM
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Re: Interesting
ringo writes:| Captcass writes: I was a bitter atheist at the time.... |
I'm glad you've adjusted your pH. |
pH would only work if he was a sour or sweet atheist.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 77 of 189 (862830)
09-13-2019 5:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 67 by Captcass
09-13-2019 1:51 PM
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Re: Is This Science Going Anywhere?
This is just weird, to me. | My point being that I am tying the two together. It is a discussion that has to be had between folks of all points of view. |
It is not clear to me what you are talking about tying together here, quantum mechanics and astrophysics or science and religion | On the science side, I see the biggest problem as the astrophysicists not realizing they are actually looking at an evolving quantum field, not events moving through a space. They see a solid "reality", not the actual evolving world of light (energy). |
Ok, so this is the biggest problem on the science side, what do you see as the biggest problem for the religion side? I have no idea what your story about acid has to do with your paper. | The role of "perception" is crucial to our understanding of quantum mechacnics on all scales. All your external, surrounding, events have already occurred. We can only see the past. This means everything has already evolved for us, each, individually. If those events had not already occurred, you couldn't see them. At the same time, we seem to lead the evolution of the universe since we see everything in the past fading away with distance. In a spherical dilation pit, "life" "grows" "upward" against the direction of gravity and time, while all masses "go with the flow", so to speak. Time evolves all events forward in the forward direction of time, but time has no depth, so events have no depth in time, no permanence, and no actual depth in space. |
Tactimatically speaking, the molecubes are all out of alignment.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 79 of 189 (862834)
09-13-2019 6:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Theodoric
09-13-2019 5:42 PM
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Re: Blinded with SCIENCE!
| I am really hoping Son Goku chimes in. |
Me too, although I don't see any real communication happening.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 81 of 189 (862837)
09-13-2019 7:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by Captcass
09-13-2019 6:46 PM
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Re: Is This Science Going Anywhere?
| Not religion. In my paper I call it the universal cosmic consciousness, which is not unique. both Einstein and Newton considered the possibility that the universe was somehow alive. Religion implies too many other things such as ritual, moral law, dietary law, etc. I differentiate between spirituality and religion. |
OK, I wasn't thinking of churches and organized religion, but more what you call spirituality. | You writes: On the science side, I see the biggest problem as the astrophysicists not realizing they are actually looking at an evolving quantum field, not events moving through a space. They see a solid "reality", not the actual evolving world of light (energy). |
This looks to me like you are getting ready to give us the pros and cons on the science side and on the spiritual side or do I still have it wrong? Ok, so this is the biggest problem on the science side, what do you see as the biggest problem for the religion side? | I am showing how the universe can be manifested out of simple self-awareness |
Since this doesn't make any sense to me, I am going to ask some picky questions.
How exactly are you showing this?
How do you define manifested and simple self awareness?
Is there a scale of self awareness from simple to complex that I can use to measure self awareness to determine its level? | the relativistic effects that manifest the apparent energy that forms the masses. The physicality and the sciences that describe that follow that |
This is incomprehensible to me, so I cannot even frame a question. | Sorry about the molecular alignment problem. I was rushing at the end... |
That's really the molecubic or molecubicular alignment problem.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 84 of 189 (862841)
09-13-2019 9:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Captcass
09-13-2019 8:28 PM
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Re: Is This Science Going Anywhere?
Ok, I'm done. I'll wait to read the Nobel Committee description of your discovery.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 2466 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 99 of 189 (862872)
09-15-2019 12:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by RAZD
09-15-2019 9:09 AM
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Re: this too is false, it is also bogus ...
My question is why didn't the "peer reviewers" catch this error? I wonder if they forced any revisions in the "year of review?"
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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