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Faith
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Message 166 of 189 (864087)
10-06-2019 5:02 PM
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10-06-2019 4:32 PM


Re: Quantum Theory
I figured that out which is why I deleted the message, thanks.

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Theodoric
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Message 167 of 189 (864088)
10-06-2019 5:21 PM
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10-06-2019 4:18 PM


Re: Quantum Theory
I had a long, 2 hour, experience with one about 300' in diameter that came within 1/4 mile when I was 16. It maneuvered in physically impossible fashions. It made Newsday the next day as so many people in Patchogue, a town to the east of where I was, saw it.
No one on this planet could possible keep such technology a secret. Too many people would be involved.

Personal incredulity is evidence of nothing.
Do you have evidence of this Newsday article? Not saying this did not happen, but the original article would be interesting.

Still you have presented no evidence of alien visitation. No one has presented evidence of alien visitation. Ever.

The journal you published in, like the book Schild self published, is not a respected by the scientific community. A scientific journal would not publish a paper from someone without any credentials in the field.

BTW, how much did they charge you to publish the paper in the journal?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Captcass
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Message 168 of 189 (864092)
10-06-2019 6:43 PM
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10-06-2019 5:21 PM


Re: Quantum Theory
quote:
Do you have evidence of this Newsday article

I had Newsday send me a copy of it years ago. How do you paste a jpg in here?

quote:
BTW, how much did they charge you to publish the paper in the journal?

Only the reviewer's fee.

"Article Processing Fee: The Journal of Cosmology is a Peer Reviewed Open Access journal and requires the payment of a $35.00 Article Processing Fee to cover costs for processing and managing the peer review process. Manuscripts will not be processed until all Processing Fees have been paid.

All articles are peer reviewed. This $35.00 fee is not refundable if the article is rejected.

Article Publication Fee: If the article is accepted, there is a $150.00 Publication Charge, that will be billed to and must be paid by the submitting author following the acceptance of the article for publication.

Accepted articles will not be published until the publication fee is received."

I was not charged the publication fee. Schild told me they used to have a per page fee, but dropped that so people from poorer nations could afford it, and they wave those fees completely if the individual cannot afford them.

I hope you see one. If you then tell me they are not "alien".....By the way, no one has specified WHERE they come from..... "outer" space, adjacent dimension...??? But they most certainly are "alien".

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Theodoric
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Message 169 of 189 (864093)
10-06-2019 6:56 PM
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10-06-2019 6:43 PM


No evidence of aliens visiting earth
I hope you see one.

Why do you assume I have not?
I have and it did seem not earthly. But there was no other evidence. All I can say about it is that it was an unidentified flying object. I have no idea what it was. I guess it is possible it was of alien origin, but as there has never been any evidence that aliens have visited earth that is far down the list of possibilities.

I think it takes a bit of hubris to think an advanced alien civilization(actually seemingly multiple civilization, as there are a myriad of different flying objects observed) would visit our out of the way planet and make no contact whatsoever.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 170 of 189 (864094)
10-06-2019 7:14 PM
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10-06-2019 6:56 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
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and make no contact whatsoever

You had visual contact, others claim physical contact.

What I saw was "alien"...from where? I don't know. I have had 2 other observations, one of which i caught on film. Please note we get very little samll plane/helo activity here. It is the jump off point for the GC routes to Asia, so we get a lot of high altitude traffic.
http://captcass.com/UFO.htm

And why would they want to make contact with such a violent race? My understanding is that the first contact will involve an autopsy because the governmental consensus is we have to know how to kill them....

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Theodoric
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Message 171 of 189 (864095)
10-06-2019 7:23 PM
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10-06-2019 7:14 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
There is no evidence of contact with an alien civilization. Just UFOs and stories. No evidence.
What I saw was "alien"...from where? I don't know. I have had 2 other observations, one of which i caught on film. Please note we get very little samll plane/helo activity here. It is the jump off point for the GC routes to Asia, so we get a lot of high altitude traffic.

Irrelevant. Not evidence.

My understanding is the the first contact will involve an autopsy because the governmental consensus is we have to know how to kill them....

And the whackaloon sensor just pegged. So who informed you of this? Men in black suits?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 172 of 189 (864097)
10-06-2019 7:50 PM
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10-06-2019 7:23 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
My understanding is the the first contact will involve an autopsy because the governmental consensus is we have to know how to kill them....

And the whackaloon sensor just pegged. So who informed you of this? Men in black suits?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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Captcass
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Message 173 of 189 (864098)
10-06-2019 8:21 PM
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10-06-2019 7:23 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
It was decades ago. A Pentagon policy thing. Don't remember the source, but thought it reliable at the time. It makes sense. Look how poorly we do just inter-racially.
What makes you think they won't be a threat when we do, if we do, make contact?

Anyway, we are way off track in speculation land so as far as UFOs go, I have had my say....


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Theodoric
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Message 174 of 189 (864099)
10-06-2019 8:26 PM
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10-06-2019 8:21 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
A Pentagon policy thing.

Yeah. Sure.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 175 of 189 (864100)
10-06-2019 8:44 PM
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10-06-2019 8:26 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
I'm talking the 60's. UFOs were a scary thing. They were seen over DC and jets were scrambled.....

People thought differently about a lot of things back then in the before time....

You can bet your life savings the Pentagon has contingency plans, though. And they are warriors.

Medical improvements since back then, like MRI etc., might make an autopsy less likely these days, but, frankly, I doubt it. I think they see it as a something they are required to do by the nature of their duties.... just in case.

Again, speculation land....


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Theodoric
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Message 176 of 189 (864107)
10-06-2019 10:35 PM
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10-06-2019 8:44 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
Yes rank speculation. No evidence

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 177 of 189 (864108)
10-06-2019 10:48 PM
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10-06-2019 10:35 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
Good. As long as we agree and understand that....

Changing the subject, a "quantum tale".

A woman came into my museum several years ago and donated a shot glass of sea glass from Maui's glass beach.

She came in again last year, excited to tell me this story as she knows how much I love to hear synchronicities:

"I found a piece of pottery (on a California beach) with my father's birth date on it.

I have a friend who collects antique pottery so I asked her if she could identify it. She did some research and found out that it came from a town in Pennsylvania; a town my father and grandfather had lived in.

It was the bottom of a mustache cup made for a specific regiment in the army; that my father and grandfather had served in."

The kicker? "My grandfather had once worked in the factory that made the mug."

"There are more things under heaven and Earth...."

So keep the faith, Faith.

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Theodoric
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Message 178 of 189 (864120)
10-07-2019 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Captcass
10-06-2019 10:48 PM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
Irrelevant to the subject and seemingly everything else. Your inability to stay on topic on your own thread is quite telling.
Are you a gish galloper too?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 179 of 189 (864146)
10-07-2019 10:44 AM
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10-07-2019 7:26 AM


Re: No evidence of aliens visiting earth
Your inability to be anything but snide and uncivil is also very telling.

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Theodoric
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Message 180 of 189 (864148)
10-07-2019 10:53 AM
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10-07-2019 10:44 AM


You are not doing science
If you cannot or are unable to support your arguments, then maybe this forum and science are not the places for you to be. This is a science forum, not a faith forum,. If you want to push your religious beliefs then start a new thread under the faith forums. As long as you keep posting this malarkey in the science forum you will be called out on it.
Without verifiable, trustable, falsifiable data you have nothing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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