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Faith 
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Message 3 of 21 (834775)
06-11-2018 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
06-10-2018 6:06 PM


I hope Taq or another geneticist will explain this. What I'd like explained among other things is how they get the 100,000 years by looking at DNA. Also what a DNA barcode is..

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Message 9 of 21 (834788)
06-12-2018 2:57 AM
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06-12-2018 2:50 AM


Mutations are no problem, I just regard them as errors or a disease process rather than normal. But they can be helpful markers when tracing down genetic lineages.

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Message 11 of 21 (834791)
06-12-2018 3:27 AM
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06-12-2018 3:17 AM


Oh you know, I don't pay attention to those huge numbers. I did ask if someone would explain how they get such numbers out of DNA. Perhaps you know.

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Message 15 of 21 (834872)
06-14-2018 9:15 AM
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06-12-2018 5:03 AM


This is where the number of years you were asking about comes from. It's nothing directly calculated from the DNA; and the authors don't put any number on it. All they're saying is that humans have a similar pattern of diversity to other species, implying a similarity in population history. Journalists are then looking up estimates for the origins of Homo sapiens (50,000, 100,000, 200,000 years) and extrapolating that most species are as old as whichever estimate they picked.
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know.
What are we actually looking at? We're looking at how long the mitochondrial genome has had to accumulate neutral variations - the more neutral variations, the longer it is since we can trace a populations mitochondrial diversity back to a small group of individuals. Is that the origin of a species?
You'd have to have a very reliable rate of accumulation of those "neutral variations," by which I suppose you mean mutations, right? But how reliable could such a number be?
I think I get the general point you're making: can't really tell anything about origins from the mitochondrial information?

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Message 17 of 21 (834903)
06-14-2018 4:45 PM
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06-14-2018 3:02 PM


So we calculate based on observations and understanding of the mechanisms how many mitochondrial mutations there are per generation. When we're only examining a 100 generations, the error margin is likely to be high. When we're examining 10,000 generations (ie., for humans about 200,000 years) the error margins are smaller. The more trials, the smaller the error margin.
As ever, there are always complications and confounding factors, but that's the gist of it.
thanks for the explanation.
So it appears your calculations rest on the assumption of the 200,000 years evolution imputes to the existence of the human race. What if the biblical timing happened to be right, what would the calculations look like then?

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