Christianity and the End Times

Reality trumps dogma every time. Not worth even thinking about reading.

When someone says something like"Scripture and scripture alone is the standard by which everything
must be judged." they should be immediately dismissed as a willfully ignorant and dishonest source and simply assigned to the ranks of Carny Pitchman and Hustlers.

The issue is that Daniel has nothing to do with Jesus and it is only the Dogma of your Cult that tries to force fit Daniel (and almost every other messianic prophesy) to meet YOUR fantasies.

Only when you pick and choose dates and make up stuff.Nothing in the Old Testament refers to Jesus except in the Dogma of your Cult.

What an utter explicit example of the con job that is Christian Apologetics.Obscure prophecy is simply worthless fodder to con the gullible and willfully ignorant.

Fixed it for you.Edited by jar, : fix quote box

The one fact that is incontrovertible is that all Christian End Times prophesy has been shown to be failed Prophesy!

Trying to insert Jesus into the Old Testament can only be dogma.The Old Testament was written by Jews for Jews and ask any Jew if there are references to Jesus and the answer will be "No!"It is Christian Dogma and only Christian Dogma that sees references to Jesus in the Old Testament.

Yes. That is the Party Line, AkA Dogma. BUT...none of those assertions are found in the Old Testament but rather are all products of later marketing.

There are many many Messiahs in the Old Testament but Jesus is not one of them. The whole concept of the Messiah as marketed in Christianity is a post-Judaic creation that developed over time.Jesus is not to be found in the Old Testament writings.PaulK's analysis is right on the money based on what is actually found in Daniel and it is simply another example of ultimately failed prophecy.The issue is that Christian Dogma over the ages has tried to force fit a desired conclusion into unrelated proof texts.And mankind is what will crush the serpent under foot, not some messiah. Genesis 2&3 are a "Just So Story" trying to explain why things are as they seemed at the time; why childbirth seems more painful for humans than other animals, why we fear snakes, why we wear clothes, why we farm instead of being hunter/gatherers and most importantly, why man dominates women.It has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.

It's not in Daniel and that is what the topic involves.

You got it half right.One group decides what they want the conclusion to show.One group simply looks at what the text says regardless of any desired outcome.One group sells the sizzle rather than the steak.One group simply says it is steak of a particular cut with marbling.

'Except those are all simply the dogma of your Cult and unconnected to reality or what is actually written in the Bible stories.It's not a matter of bias but rather honesty and accepting the reality of what is actually written instead of the Fundamentalist position of first creating the conclusion and then willfully ignoring reality.Edited by jar, : missed a '

Marketing "What's in it for me!" Christianity. "Let Jesus do it!"It's always attractive to sell "Let the other guy do it!" rather than "Looks like I have to do it!"And every single End Times product has been recalled.Edited by jar, : No reason given.

I believe as I did then that I need to do it; Jesus or inspiration or parents can advise or teach or encourage but only I can do.