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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh it certainly is controversial. He did original research and contributed a lot of information that was not previously written about.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If Luke's information came from other written accounts, unknown to believers, why didn't6 he just put those accounts into circulation? Why didn't he just recommend them to Theophilus or have a copy made for him? No, he had his own information about these things that he thought it worth reporting. "Q" is a myth, made up by the "scholars" who obviously don't know how to read.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
f Luke's information came from other written accounts, unknown to believers why didn't6 he just put those accounts into circulation? Have you ever written a paper Faith? I find your question quite astounding. Apparently, none of the sources included the complete story that Luke wanted to tell, and did not describe Jesus from the perspective that Luke undertook to document. His Gospel serves that purpose regardless of what his actual sources were. Luke almost certainly drew on many sources. I don't think there is any controversy about that whatsoever. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Oh it certainly is controversial. He did original research and contributed a lot of information that was not previously written about. Faith, this statement does not contradict what I said in the least. Original research means consulting sources and accounts. At least some of those sources appear to be in common with the other Gospel authors. Again, this is not controversial. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith, this statement does not contradict what I said in the least. Original research means consulting sources and accounts. At least some of those sources appear to be in common with the other Gospel authors. From the context in which I wrote it I obviously excluded his using written sources. They would have to have been unknown to believers because he refers to those that are well known and he had no need to repeat those, and if he consulted unknown sources he would have named them and recommended them, not written his own. There is no "Q" source, it's all imaginary. Luke had opportunity to be with the apostles and hear their stories. He traveled with Paul. He knew about the political situation of the day and may have done some reading on that but it also may not have been necessary. Since he includes information about John the Baptist's birth it does seem likely that he got to interview Mary and others connected with that. HE WAS THERE, among the people most involved, not during Jesus' life but soon after. THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN IMAGINARY DOCUMENT TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE WROTE./ I trust the traiditional attributions
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Lujke was THERE, NN, he spent time among the apostles. And if there were documents written that covered what interested him WHY WEREN'T THEY ALREADY WELL KNOWN as the ones he mentions were? THERE WAS NO NEED FOR OTHER WRITTEN SOURCES, HE WAS THERE.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
From the context in which I wrote it I obviously excluded his using written sources. They would have to have been unknown to believers because Your statement is baseless and idiotic. If there were written sources, they were written by believers and accordingly, they could not have been unknown to all believers. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh think for a change. He had no reason to write what was already known to believers, all the wriotings he starts out saying were well known./ The only source therefore that he COULD have used would have been UNKNOWN to believers. Sheesh. Grow a brain.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That doesn't make a bit of sense. He couldn't repeat what had already been said? Why not? He couldn't bring different sources together in one place? Why not? He had no reason to write what was already known to believers, all the wriotings he starts out saying were well known./ The only source therefore that he COULD have used would have been UNKNOWN to believers.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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As he SAYS, he is writing because he feels he has a good understanding of these things, he has no reason to repeat what believers already know, which he starts out mentioning. He wants to ADD to their knowledge from his own experience. He was writing to someone named Theophilis whom he knew personally. He says he knows he believes the same things he Luke also believes because of the writings of the eyewitnesses they are both familiar with, but he wants to give him MORE information from his OWN knowledge. Sheesh.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yes, bringing different sources together in one place adds them together.
He wants to ADD to their knowledge... Faith writes:
He doesn't say that. He says that he understands the events, not that he experienced them.
... from his own experience. Faith writes:
Nope. He doesn't say that. ... but he wants to give him MORE information from his OWN knowledge.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm so sorry to learn of your mental handicaps that prevent you from reading and understanding and making correct inferencesfrom simple information. My condolences.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The ad hominem just illustrates the fact that there is no substance to your position. I'm so sorry to learn of your mental handicaps that prevent you from reading and understanding and making correct inferencesfrom simple information.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet Luke includes multiple mutually exclusive versions of several stories. If one is correct then the others are false.
Luke is simply an early apologist.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Oh think for a change. He had no reason to write what was already known to believers, all the wriotings he starts out saying were well known. Your supposition is not correct. There are four Gospels and much overlap in the material and Luke's Gospel was not the first one written. The idea that Luke would only write about what was unknown is demonstrably beyond ridiculous. Secondly, the fact that there were other writings does not mean that those writings were widely spread or well known. Your argument is not logical. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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