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jar
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Message 1456 of 1748 (840136)
09-24-2018 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1455 by jaywill
09-24-2018 8:13 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
jaywill writes:
As one who rejects Christ and whose name is not recorded in the book of life at the last judgment, the Bible is unique in predicting that your ultimate yet negative goal will be something called the lake of fire.
Too funny. And where is your evidence that I reject Christ or that my name is not recorded?
Again, you are just trying to con the rubes and showing your ignorance jaywill.

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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1457 of 1748 (840137)
09-24-2018 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1453 by jar
09-24-2018 8:05 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
quote:
It's YOU adding to the Bible, a classic Apologist conjob.
Point out the top two or three matters that I supposedly ADDED to the Bible ?
I don't count a Bible student expounding on the Bible as necessarily ADDING to it.
You are now going to back up you accusation and demonstrate what I ADDED to the Bible.
Go.
And you saying " Well, I don't think that is a good interpretation" is not necessarily anyone you disagree with ADDING to the Bible.
Give us your TOP two or three examples of my Bible ADDITIONS in your next post.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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jar
Member (Idle past 92 days)
Posts: 34140
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 1458 of 1748 (840138)
09-24-2018 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1457 by jaywill
09-24-2018 8:25 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
You added the utter nonsense in brackets, like substituting science (a concept foreign to any of the authors of the Bible stories) for knowledge.
In fact the vast majority of the content of the Bible you market is stuff that is added to try to make the Bible fit the dogma of your cult.
And again, this is still just another example of you trying to con the rubes, move the goal posts, change the subject and avoid dealing with the topic.

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jaywill
Member (Idle past 2194 days)
Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
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Message 1459 of 1748 (840139)
09-24-2018 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1456 by jar
09-24-2018 8:18 AM


quote:
Too funny. And where is your evidence that I reject Christ or that my name is not recorded?
Please point out the amusing or the humorous part of this passage.
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
Which part of that makes you giggle in amusement ?
quote:
Again, you are just trying to con the rubes and showing your ignorance jaywill.
So you are putting your trust in the book of Revelation being a lie ?
You roll across the floor in hilarity because the words out of the last book of the Bible simply are not to be taken seriously ?
Now those words seem much to agree with the words from the mouth of Jesus in Luke 10:20
Both that verse in are A BIG JOKE to you then ?
However do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you,
but rejoice that your names are recorded in the heavens. (Luke 10:20)
Ha, Ha ?? To have my name recorded by God in the heavens , big jolly joke!
Ha, Ha. To have my name written in the Lamb's book of life at the final judgment, well, that's hilarious.
I'll take it seriously.
You go ahead and take it as amusing if you choose.
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jar
Member (Idle past 92 days)
Posts: 34140
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 1460 of 1748 (840140)
09-24-2018 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1459 by jaywill
09-24-2018 9:18 AM


Re:
jaywill writes:
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
The humorous part is you thinking you have a clue what might be in such a book if it existed and your continued attempts to just market the dogma of your cult rather than addressing the topic.
I don't think Revelation is a lie, just that it is all simply failed prophecy that refers to events the author expected to occur almost 1900 years ago.

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jaywill
Member (Idle past 2194 days)
Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1461 of 1748 (840141)
09-24-2018 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1458 by jar
09-24-2018 9:15 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
quote:
You added the utter nonsense in brackets, like substituting science (a concept foreign to any of the authors of the Bible stories) for knowledge.
Brackets signals that this is an editorial clarification.
Now if you want to say SCIENCE is not a synonym of KNOWLEDGE say so.
However. Thesaurus.com has as a synonym for SCIENCE - you guessed it -
"body of knowledge" See Thesaurus.com
Also included as synonymous words/expressions to the noun SCIENCE as INFORMATION -
quote:
info
inside story
instruction
intelligence
KNOWLEDGE

[my bolding]
Open mouth and change feet jar.
If this is your strongest example of me ADDING to the Bible, editorial brackets, I don't have anything to worry about.
What else you have ?
quote:
In fact the vast majority of the content of the Bible you market is stuff that is added to try to make the Bible fit the dogma of your cult.
EXAMPLES, SPECIFIC EXAMPLES PLEASE - OF ... ADDING to the TEXT of the Bible.
Put up or shut up.
quote:
And again, this is still just another example of you trying to con the rubes, move the goal posts, change the subject and avoid dealing with the topic.
Dodge and excuse noted.
Weak example noted.
Another lying accusation from jar, yea, noted.
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jaywill
Member (Idle past 2194 days)
Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1462 of 1748 (840142)
09-24-2018 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1460 by jar
09-24-2018 9:24 AM


Re:
quote:
The humorous part is you thinking you have a clue what might be in such a book if it existed and your continued attempts to just market the dogma of your cult rather than addressing the topic.
That passage is about the LAST JUDGMENT of all the dead human beings who come before God's great white throne.
The fact that the last judgment of all the earth's deceased has not YET occurred is not a matter of "failed prophecy".
I don't have to claim knowledge of everything that is written in said book of life. I only have to believe in the consequences of someone's name NOT being recorded in the book of life.
Right?
Right.
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened;
and another scroll was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrolls, according to their works. (Rev. 20:12)
... and they were judged, each of them, according to their works. (v.13b)
And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (v.14)
And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. (v.15)
What is important is not that I know or claim to know everything written in the book of life. I am told about the result of something NOT written there, ie. a person's name.
And at no time did I insist I KNEW that your name was not there. Put that strawman away.
There is no hilarity associated with me thinking I KNOW everything written there. I never claimed that. And there is nothing amusing, as far as I can see, about being warned that it is best to have one's name recorded there.
That is unless you prefer eternal departure into a lake of fire. That can't be good.
quote:
I don't think Revelation is a lie, just that it is all simply failed prophecy that refers to events the author expected to occur almost 1900 years ago.
Name me one failed prophecy from the book of Revelation then.
Events that have not YET occurred as prophesied is not an example of the book's "failed prophecy".
Point out - HERE'S the prophecy in Revelation.
Point out - HERE'S the failure for that prophecy to be fulfilled in history.
Your next post please.
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jar
Member (Idle past 92 days)
Posts: 34140
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 1463 of 1748 (840143)
09-24-2018 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1461 by jaywill
09-24-2018 9:32 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Editorial is adding, imposing YOUR meaning on what is actually written.
And it still is just another example of you trying to palm the pea, change the subject, con the rubes and move the goal posts.
jaywill writes:
Events that have not YET occurred as prophesied is not an example of the book's "failed prophecy".
LOL
Of course they are failed prophecy until such time as they do happen. Your denials are just more evidence that you have no touch with reality.
Edited by jar, : Add rebuttal of the attempt to deny reality

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Tangle
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From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 6.8


Message 1464 of 1748 (840144)
09-24-2018 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1439 by jaywill
09-24-2018 6:16 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Jaywill writes:
This is a room called Bible Study under which title it says
What does the Bible really mean?
So in this room you discuss bible topics with others, not by teaching and preaching, which is a one way communication form.
Preaching" is mostly the term you use for having to listen to something you don't want to hear.
Well you said it. And preaching is what you have openly admitted you are doing and what you intend to carry on doing.
Jaywill writes:
I have plenty of good things to teach and preach right here on the Evolution Verses Creation Forum.
Besides I gave you opportunity to show us you could say something of a better more meaningful world view to the Bible concerning the meaning of man in the universe.
And I have said that if you want to do that, you open another thread called 'the meaning of man in the universe' - not in this thread or in the bible forums. That's how it works.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 6.8


Message 1465 of 1748 (840145)
09-24-2018 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1445 by jaywill
09-24-2018 7:27 AM


Jaywill writes:
Come and debate with me Tangle.
It's really not difficult. In this thread we are - or are supposed to be - discussing Christianity and the End Times. If you want to discuss something else, you create a new thread for it in the correct forum. That way the original thread doesn't get polluted and run off at all manner of tangents.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 665 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1466 of 1748 (840151)
09-24-2018 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1431 by jaywill
09-23-2018 4:58 PM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
jaywill writes:
There is nothing about Jesus Christ's life, teaching, words, and deeds which suggest He wanted anything for Himself by which CONING the world was a way to obtain it.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or does it come naturally?
I didn't say a word about Jesus. I said YOU, jaywill, member of Evc forum. I said that YOU might be trying to con people or that YOU might be rube enough to believe the rubbish that you preach.
jaywill writes:
And time will tell who was cheated and who was given the real straight truth.
Time has already told. Your misrepresentation of the Bible has been exposed repeatedly in this very thread. And instead of standing up for what you supposedly believe and addressing the criticism, you invariably run away. That does not seem like the behaviour of an honest man.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1467 of 1748 (840152)
09-24-2018 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1447 by Phat
09-24-2018 7:33 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
But we could also argue that "many false prophets will appear and deceive many people" could actually refer to him.
Or it could refer to jaywill, Faith and Phat.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1468 of 1748 (840153)
09-24-2018 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1450 by jaywill
09-24-2018 7:54 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
jaywill writes:
First of all a prophecy which has not YET been fulfilled is not a "failed prophecy."
A cold-fusion reactor that doesn't work "yet" is a failed cold-fusion reactor. It is a failure until it ceases to fail. You can't say it isn't a failure just because you really, really, really believe it will work "some day".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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From: Nevada, USA
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Message 1469 of 1748 (840155)
09-24-2018 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1454 by jar
09-24-2018 8:09 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
That's a nice assertion but only another totally unsupported assertion.
That's cute coming from the all-time champion of unsupported assertions. It's your job to show that it's not unique to Christianity by quoting some other source of the same promises.

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Tangle
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Posts: 9580
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 6.8


Message 1470 of 1748 (840159)
09-24-2018 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1468 by ringo
09-24-2018 11:53 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
An undated prophecy is just a wish.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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