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Author Topic:   The Evolution Theory is a Myth Equivalent to the Flat Earth Theory
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Message 21 of 248 (836070)
07-09-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by forexhr
07-09-2018 4:08 AM


Re: Blogging From the Beyond
forexhr writes:

I wasn't showing mathematically that the bee can't fly, but instead, that the flying function of the bee cannot result from the molecular recombinations in a gene pool of the population which lacks this function.


To spell out more explicitly what others have said: You're not showing mathematically that evolution can't happen, but instead that your strawman version of evolution can't happen.

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Message 26 of 248 (836146)
07-11-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Faith
07-11-2018 1:12 PM


Re: Blogging From the Beyond
Faith writes:

He says he wants to try to prove this through e coli experiments? At this rate he'll never be able to get to that part of his argument....


Nothing that anybody says here can stop him from doing experiments. If he did bring experimental data to back up his claims, he might have a leg to stand on. As it is, he's just re-interpreting the data from somebody else's experiments. That's a tired old creationist ploy and it isn't likely to get much respect here.

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Message 30 of 248 (836163)
07-11-2018 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Faith
07-11-2018 2:58 PM


Re: Blogging From the Beyond
Faith writes:

I didn't say he was going to DO experiments...


I'm saying he SHOULD do experiments.

Faith writes:

... he believes experiments that have already been done prove his point.


Why would he understand the experiments better than the people who DID them?

The scientific approach would be to devise his own experiments to show How and why the original experimenters' conclusions were invalid.


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Message 32 of 248 (836168)
07-11-2018 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
07-11-2018 3:40 PM


Re: Blogging From the Beyond
Faith writes:

I'm going to read his article but I haven't yet.


Without reading the article, you might as well guess that Rumpelstiltskin made up the Theory of Evolution out of straw.

Faith writes:

My guess is that the people who did the experiments weren't looking for what he sees in them.


Don't forget the peer reviewers. And all of the other scientists who have studied the results and given up their chance at a Nobel Prize for proving evolution wrong.

No doubt there's a giant conspiracy of people refusing to acknowledge what one little goober could figure out with nothing but a pencil, a piece of paper and a grudge.


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Message 35 of 248 (836173)
07-11-2018 4:16 PM
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07-11-2018 4:05 PM


Re: Blogging From the Beyond
Faith writes:

I do think you all could do better at trying to understand what this guy is trying to say instead of piling up the straw man misinterpretations, and that IS what you all are doing.


I don't even know why you're responding to me. I only summarized what everybody else in this thread was saying - and judging by the number of cheers it seems that my summary was accurate.

I haven't expressed an opinion on whether or not forexhr's calculations are correct - but even IF they are, they pose no threat to evolution. You can't calculate reality away. The strawman is his.

Faith writes:

He's the first creationist I've personally ever seen here who is arguing in a way I can follow....


Yes, it is unusual to find two creationists who can agree on anything.

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Message 69 of 248 (836342)
07-15-2018 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by forexhr
07-15-2018 6:08 AM


forexhr writes:

The crucial point of the article is this....


If that's the crucial point, why didn't the scientists who did the work notice it?

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Message 94 of 248 (836398)
07-16-2018 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Faith
07-15-2018 5:11 PM


Re: No New Functions?
Faith writes:

If you are going to talk about something like melanin EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You are otherwise just doing the usual evasion.


That's pretty bizarre. Telling you something you don't understand is "evasion" - but you can claim something you don't understand is wrong?

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Message 125 of 248 (836459)
07-17-2018 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Faith
07-17-2018 12:14 AM


Re: No New Functions?
Faith writes:

You are denying the obvious.


The obvious is often wrong. It's obvious that the earth is flat, and that is wrong.

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Message 145 of 248 (836567)
07-19-2018 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by forexhr
07-19-2018 11:46 AM


Re: Wrong again
forexhr writes:

Showing mathematicaly that such human idea is false, in no way means that the process of erosion does not occur.


That's what people are trying to tell you. Mathematics is a human idea that can not disprove what actually happens.

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Message 148 of 248 (836574)
07-19-2018 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by forexhr
07-19-2018 12:37 PM


Re: Wrong again
forexhr writes:

So, you are just one of many in this topic who is inept of comprehending the simplest statements.


If everybody fails to understand your statements, maybe you should consider the possibility that you're not stating it clearly enough.

I would also appreciate an answer to my question: Why is it that you understand the implications of the experiment but the people who did the experiment do not?


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Message 154 of 248 (836609)
07-20-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by forexhr
07-20-2018 4:17 AM


Re: Wrong again
forexhr writes:

I am waiting patiently for someone to come along and challenge this model.


I'm waiting patiently for you to answer my question: Why did the scientists who did the experiments fail to see the implications that you see. Why did the peer reviewers fail to see what you see? Why did the hundreds/thousands of semi-interested scientists who read the paper(s) fail to see what you see?

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Message 156 of 248 (836646)
07-20-2018 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Faith
07-20-2018 5:38 PM


Re: Wrong again
Faith writes:

They're like all of you here, they are so totally blindly committed to the ToE they won't even really entertain a challenge to it.


So it's a conspiracy? That's all you've got?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 158 of 248 (836652)
07-20-2018 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
07-20-2018 5:52 PM


Re: Wrong again
Faith writes:

... there is a factor of their unwillingness to even consider another point of view.


They have considered forexhr's point of view and they've shown how it's wrong.

Faith writes:

I can't really follow forexhr's arguments myself....


That's so typical of you. You don't understand either side of the argument but you know which side is right.

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Message 167 of 248 (836700)
07-21-2018 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Faith
07-20-2018 6:01 PM


Re: Wrong again
Faith writes:

Not one single person on this thread has actually addressed what the OP is arguing.


You admit to not understanding the OP. How could you possibly know if it has been addressed?

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Message 168 of 248 (836702)
07-21-2018 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by forexhr
07-21-2018 4:40 AM


Re: Wrong again
forexhr writes:

Neither your question has something to do with the subject of this topic...


My question has as much to do with the topic as your OP has to do with evolution.

When you get on an airplane, do you go up to the cockpit and tell the pilot he's flying wrong? Any unbiased observer would naturally ask you why you think you understand flying better than the pilot.


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