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JonF
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Message 64 of 248 (836326)
07-15-2018 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
07-15-2018 1:22 AM


Re: No New Functions?
How about just acknowledging that a mutation's changing an allele, at best can only change whatever that gene governs, so if it's a gene for fur color the mutation is only going to affect fur color? Pretty simple it seems to me.

HBD wrote an excellent message pointing out that you are wrong, it's not simple.

Phenotypic traits depend on more than one gene. Each gene is often involved in multiple phenotypic traits.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 68 of 248 (836337)
07-15-2018 12:34 PM
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07-15-2018 9:09 AM


Re: No New Functions?
It IS true that many genes are usually involved in ONE phenotypic trait

Your posts continue to seem as if you don't know that.

but one gene for many traits: not that I know of. So prove it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hox_gene:

quote:
Hox genes, a subset of homeotic genes, are a group of related genes that control the body plan of an embryo along the head-tail axis. After the embryonic segments have formed, the Hox proteins determine the type of appendages (e.g. legs, antennae, and wings in fruit flies ) or the different types of vertebrae (in humans) that will form on a segment. Hox proteins thus confer segmental identity, but do not form the actual segments themselves.

Please just acknowledge that an allele changed by mutation can at best only change whatever that gene governs, so if it's a gene for fur color the mutation is only going to affect fur color.

Can't do that. It would be lying. See HBD's excellent exposition.

(Even if you were right that it could affect many traits, such a change would only affect those particular designated traits because the gene determines what those traits are.)

You'll never figure it out if you insist on avoiding real molecular genetics and stick to your fantasized version.
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Message 100 of 248 (836410)
07-16-2018 2:18 PM
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07-16-2018 1:38 PM


Re: No New Functions?

I need evidence to prove that a gene governs a particular phenotype?

Yes.

I find this mindboggling.

The fact that you find the idea of producing evidence for a scientific claim mind-boggling says a lot about you.


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Message 107 of 248 (836431)
07-16-2018 5:27 PM
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07-16-2018 3:14 PM


Re: No New Functions?
Seems to me a duplicate would do whatever the gene it duplicates does.

Until it mutates, yes. After... maybe, maybe not. Maybe it doesn't do anything. Maybe it does something different.


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Message 113 of 248 (836439)
07-16-2018 9:45 PM
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07-16-2018 5:55 PM


Re: No New Functions?
But mutation can only change the variation on the phenotype as I keep saying, not the phenotype itself

Yes, you do say that.

Over and over and over and over again.

Over and over and over and over again.

No evidence, no attempt at logical argument.


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Message 124 of 248 (836453)
07-17-2018 9:03 AM
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07-16-2018 11:32 PM


Re: No New Functions?
I keep repeating myself because nobody acknowledges this very simple obvious point.

We keep denying it because it is wrong. .
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