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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 117 of 441 (837297)
07-30-2018 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
07-20-2018 2:50 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
until born a fetus is not yet a living human being
I've arrived at this topic late, but this statement stood out.
it this genuinely your belief?
What happens at the moment of birth that makes the foetus suddenly Human?
Is it your belief that a millisecond before birth the foetus is not human, just a clump of cells. A moment later it is a living child?
What causes this change in classification?
-position in/out of the womb?
-Intake of breath?
-crying?
My partner is expecting our 3rd child. we have had scans which do indeed thankfully show a (very nearly) fully formed human living, growing, feeding, moving inside her womb.
He reacts to our voices, to those of his brother and sister, to music and to certain foods eaten by my partner.
There is nothing on this earth that would make me believe this child is not alive. least of all the fact that he is currently located in my partners belly.
To state that pre-birth, the child is not human is baffling to me. He is, in every physiological way human, he is in every neurological way human. (It is my understanding that brain waves can be detected in the foetus from week 10-12 of the pregnancy)
What is it that happens at the moment of birth that changes the foetus from non-human to human?
I'm not talking about a legal definition here we know that legal definitions have in the past defined people of colour, women, asylum seekers as less than or sub-human. so that is largely irrelevant here.
What is it that make YOU think that a child, in the moments before birth, is not human?
Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.

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Heathen
Member (Idle past 1273 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


Message 142 of 441 (837360)
07-31-2018 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Percy
07-30-2018 3:16 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
as you read on through the thread you probably saw where I reminded Faith I wasn't arguing my position but the Biblical position that I quoted
Apologies, my misunderstanding.

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