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Author Topic:   Evangelical Switch from Pro-choice to Anti-abortion
Taq
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Message 10 of 441 (836581)
07-19-2018 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
07-19-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
Faith writes:
All human parts are there, head, torso, arms, legs, fingers and toes. They sometimes even suck their thumbs on those images. Their hearts beat steadily. So, let's see, if we kill it before twelve weeks then we can be sure it wasn't a human being?
Do heads, torsos, arms, legs, fingers and toes make us human? If I get a toe chopped off am I less of a human?
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 60 of 441 (837089)
07-26-2018 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Tangle
07-23-2018 5:09 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
Tangle writes:
I think that's because there is no 'answer', if we're honest, we know we're rationalising to make us feel better about something we know in our guts is a wrong.
I don't think that is the case. I don't know of any woman who continually checks if she passed an embryo that didn't implant. Even in our guts we don't think it is even worth checking. We certainly don't have funerals for embryos that don't implant, and we feel no need to, even in our guts.
The more human something looks the more value we put on it. That seems to be what our guts work off of.
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Message 61 of 441 (837091)
07-26-2018 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Tangle
07-26-2018 8:42 AM


Re: Just a few more facts.
Tangle writes:
Maybe it would help if you clarified something for me. I can't conceive (sorry) of any circumstances where it is not a harm - of whatever level - to have an elective abortion. We are quite obviously destroying a potential life which must be a harm, surely?
I would hazard a guess that the number natural abortions is several orders of magnitude higher than man caused abortions. Numbers range from 25-50% of conceptions ending in natural abortions.

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Taq
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Message 62 of 441 (837092)
07-26-2018 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
07-19-2018 5:25 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
Faith writes:
Oh come on Taq. The ultrasound shows a living breathing baby, all its parts intact even down to the toes on its feet, its heart beating, even sometimes sucking its thumb, at only twelve weeks in the womb and an inch or two in length. It isn't a shapeless blob, it doesn't look like a fish, it looks like a human baby.
There are also adults who are brain dead, and we take them off of life support because what makes them human is gone. All I am saying is that what makes human's unique isn't sucking a thumb.

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Message 66 of 441 (837130)
07-27-2018 12:26 PM
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07-26-2018 6:17 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
Faith writes:
The brain dead are not coming back, . . .
That comment supports what I am saying. It is mental capacity that defines humanity, not the arrangement of body parts.

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Message 67 of 441 (837132)
07-27-2018 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:23 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
Faith writes:
People die of all kinds of causes all the time, including in the womb, but that is never a reason to intentionally kill a person at any stage of life, including in the womb.
Do we treat natural abortions the same as we do someone dying of cancer or heart disease? We don't, do we? Why is that?

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Message 68 of 441 (837133)
07-27-2018 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by ringo
07-26-2018 5:56 PM


Re: Just a few more facts.
ringo writes:
And how much it is wanted. A woman who wants a baby will be devasted about miscarrying while a woman who doesn't want a baby will be more likely to think of it like a gangrenous toe.
Agreed. There are deep human emotions tied to pregnancy and children which are an inextricable part of any discussion of abortion and abortion rights.

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