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Message 5 of 277 (836626)
07-20-2018 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
07-20-2018 2:42 PM


And so you show again that you are in love with lies and hate.

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Message 14 of 277 (836639)
07-20-2018 4:49 PM
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07-20-2018 3:12 PM


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The press is not free, not since Trump was elected.

Unfortunately for you they are.

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They are in thrall to an agenda. They have given up on any pretense at objectivity or fairness.

By which you mean they refuse to be propagandists for the Trump regime.

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It's so extreme even you on the left should be able to see it, it's really amazing how you all accept and repeat the ridiculous rationalizations.

What “ridiculous rationalisations” ? I note that you refuse to deal with Percy’s points - which deal with things that Trump has actually done.

Just accept it, lying isn’t working.


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Message 22 of 277 (836660)
07-21-2018 2:15 AM
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07-20-2018 10:17 PM


If you are right ?

Well if it was really true - rather than a pack of lies you love to hear - you ought to be able to honestly address all the problems in Trumps record as President. And Percy hasn’t even listed all of them.

Or maybe you mean that we should join you before the Right turns to violent oppression. That is where this is going. That is the point of these lies. Just like the Nazis promoted anti-Semitic theories and persecuted the Jews.

You’re on the side of evil, Faith, and you love it.


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Message 24 of 277 (836668)
07-21-2018 5:04 AM
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07-21-2018 4:36 AM


Re: The Left is the Oppressor these days
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As I started out saying I have been avoiding politics, I don't have any stomach for what is being said and done against Trump, it is clear to me that there is a conspiracy to bring him down with all those accusations and I can't do anything about it and I don't need the ulcer so I don't follow it. But I know enough to appreciate what Pirro is saying.

And it is clear to me that the conspiracy is a hypocritical lie from people who have been hurling false accusations at the “Left” (which includes the centre-Right) for years.

Need I point out that the Pizzagate fiction is a long way from the reports of Trump’s misdealings with Kim Jong-Un or Putin ? Or the mess over the repeal of Obamacare or Trumps hiring of Flynn and Manafort and Cohen ?

Need I point out again that you have no answer to the points Percy raised ? “Staying out of politics” is not a valid excuse for having no answer.

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It isn't just from the Democrats, but also fake Republicans, but in general it's right to say that the oppression and violence are from the Left.

The alt-right seems to be more violent there was one murder at Charlottesville and the Left weren’t to blame.

It is crazy to say that the vicious liars are being persecuted by people telling the truth. That the people who told insane lies about Obama are innocent while people telling the truth about Trump are evil conspirators. But that’s where we are.


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Message 26 of 277 (836671)
07-21-2018 6:22 AM
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07-21-2018 5:43 AM


Re: The Left is the Oppressor these days
By which you mean that it is all true, and you want to suppress it with your lies.

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Message 33 of 277 (836686)
07-21-2018 8:33 AM
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07-21-2018 6:27 AM


Re: The Left is the Oppressor these days
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Charlottesville had nothing to do with conservatives, it was a bunch of white supremacists.

Obvious hypocrisy. They are right wingers. They are Trump supporters. Trump was prepared to call them “fine people”. If you are going to lump all “the Left” together they are certainly part of the Right. And they certainly have a lot more to do with the conspiracy-peddling you are supporting here than anti-fa has to do with the average Democrat.

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But Antifa beats people up and provokes violence wherever conservatives gather. There are still violent acts against innocent Trump supporters minding their own business. The hate and violence is all on the Left.

That’s what you claim. But we know that there is plenty of violence from the Right. Even you know it.

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Everything said about Obama was true and more than that.

Even the crazy claims about a plot to detonate a nuclear bomb on American soil? All the claims of treason ? All the assertions for which there is no real evidence? How could you possibly know ? Oh right, you are an evil hater so you believe it just because it’s against Obama.

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There is definitely a leftist conspiracy against Trump and his supporters and really, against the freedoms America always stood for.

Which is why the Republicans are working so hard on gerrymandering and suppressing votes, right ? Can’t let anyone from the “Left” win an election can you ?

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The lies are on your side.

So says Faith, the Queen of Lies and Hate.


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Message 81 of 277 (836760)
07-22-2018 1:43 AM
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07-21-2018 9:39 PM


Re: Sorry, no evidence. Plain decency would respect the claim.
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All I really wanted on this thread was a recognition of the utterly totally comopletely opposite point of view on the right to the one that is shared by everybody here

I don’t think anyone disagreed with the fact that there are people on the right making such claims.

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did not want to debate these things because I'm not keeping up with the issues, I would just like it acknowledged that millions of us KNOW there is a leftist and media conspiracy against Trump.

Obviously you DON’T know. And you don’t care.

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I don't expect you to agree with it, but I would expect the common decency of treating the opposition with enough respect to try to see it from our point of view.

It’s hard to understand people so dominated by hate and tribalism and pride. And I do not think that deserves respect.

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There has been research done that shows an outrageously high negative news coverage of Trump as compared to coverage of any other President in recent history, twice as negative at least.

A president who does a bad job will be criticised, and Trump has done a worse job than any recent president. You chose to assume otherwise but why does that deserve respect ? If you cared about the issues enough to answer the criticisms of Trump then you might have a defensible view - but uninformed opinions are worthless. And that is all you offer.

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But of course it turns out you just treat it as normal news and blame it on Trump, no recognition that you are being manipulated. I do wonder where your heads can be. But all I'm going to say is OPEN YOUR EYES IT'S EVERYWHERE.

And yet you have no idea of whether it is “manipulation” or accurate reporting. You just throw accusations with your eyes tightly closed. You aren’t following the issues, you have no idea of the truth of the matter - you just make baseless accusations. You’ve admitted as much.

Your view is that criticism of Trump should be silenced, whether it is true or not - by making accusations against the critics with no regard to whether the accusations are true or not.

That does not deserve respect. It deserves harsh condemnation.


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Message 90 of 277 (836778)
07-22-2018 8:25 AM
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07-22-2018 5:59 AM


Re: Sorry, no evidence. Plain decency would respect the claim.
Yes, you are completely lacking in common decency. Although we knew that from the OP.

Common decency does not require me to take your opinion at all seriously when it is obviously false and your sole excuse for not knowing that is that you can’t be bothered to know.

Common decency on the other hand would seem to forbid the endorsement of insane accusations on purely political partisan grounds. Yet you are quite willing to do THAT.


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Message 117 of 277 (836830)
07-23-2018 1:05 AM
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07-22-2018 6:20 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
Attacks on his family? Like when Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton “the White House Dog”?

And since “fake news” usually means accurate reporting that Trump or his supporters want suppressed I don’t think it is any sort of sensible measure.


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Message 128 of 277 (836902)
07-24-2018 12:47 AM
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07-24-2018 12:42 AM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
Then please provide examples.

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Message 130 of 277 (836905)
07-24-2018 1:02 AM
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07-24-2018 12:48 AM


Re: Focus On The Book
In other words you can’t stand to see any criticism of Trump, no matter whether it is deserved or not. You neither know nor care about that.

The imaginary “conspiracy” is just an excuse to present yourself as righteous.

You have no problem with Pizzagate even though there is no doubt that it is virtually all invented - because you are fine with spreading hate against Democrats. But when Trump acts in ways that even Newt Gingrich finds unacceptable you get upset that the media reports it. If you want to talk about bias and a lack of objectivity start with that. You’d have to look hard to find a more extreme example.


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Message 162 of 277 (837056)
07-26-2018 8:39 AM
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07-26-2018 8:26 AM


Re: the problem
The problem is that there isn’t a good defence for what Trump actually has done. If Trump were simply pandering to racists it would hardly be much better than being racist and there’s enough evidence that he has at least done that.

The real problem is that Trump is a terrible person.


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Message 165 of 277 (837070)
07-26-2018 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Percy
07-26-2018 9:41 AM


The real problem
Faith doesn’t care about journalistic standards or the truth. She only cares whether the stories are ones she likes or hates. She goes to the “alternative” media in part because they have such low standards - so long as they are attacking Muslims or “the Left” or someone else she hates she loves it.

Of course Faith has to spin it because she doesn’t like that fact, but nevertheless it is a very obvious fact.

Faith hates the stories attacking Trump, she likes the idea that there is a conspiracy behind it and there really isn’t much more to it than that.

Obviously she can’t sell that to anyone who doesn’t share her extreme and vicious prejudice - and not because we are “blind”, but because we see all too well.


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Message 213 of 277 (837201)
07-28-2018 1:31 PM
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07-28-2018 1:01 PM


Re: the problem
Because declaring yourself to be unquestionably right - refusing to even consider evidence or argument to the contrary - shows such respect for other views,

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Message 220 of 277 (837213)
07-28-2018 3:02 PM
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07-28-2018 2:45 PM


Re: the problem
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I'm not saying I'm innocent,

Indeed, you are the worst offender.

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I'm just pointing to obvious infractions.

You’re just whining because people dare to criticise you, as usual.

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But also here I am in the midst of nothing but leftist voices slamming Trump in every possible way as well as his supporters, and most of the stuff is Liberal Nazi stuff.

Which just means opinions - or facts -you don’t like.

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AND I didn't say I want everything I say "accepted as truth" although that would certainly be appropriate in many cases, just treated as a reasonable opinion that represents Trump supporters

Much of what you say is not reasonable opinion. The whole idea of a conspiracy in the press hardly seems reasonable for a start. Especially when we add in your claims of bias, too. A widespread bias does not require a conspiracy.

And then there is the fact that you will happily endorse far worse behaviour from media biased towards the far right, which makes your complaints look more than a little hypocritical.

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Instead it's just one slam after another.

So the people you are abusing dare to truthfully criticise you. How dreadful.

Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.


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