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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Percy
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Message 91 of 277 (836780)
07-22-2018 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
07-21-2018 6:05 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
Faith writes:

Capt Stormfield writes:

Faith writes:

Sorry there really is a conspiracy by the leftist media to bring down Trump but all we get is the inane declarations of what the press is supposed to be without a hint that anybody sees the total blitzkrieg that's going on.

So quit your incessant whining and bitching and declaiming and provide some examples of of uncorrected untruths in the mainstream media. You're big on calling conspiracy, but short on evidence.

The evidence is everywhere, open your eyes.

The evidence that the media is merely reporting what Trump says and does and then reacts to it is everywhere, open your eyes. On a number of recent issues even Fox News is chiming in.

We have two opposite and opposing views. Wouldn't you agree that citing specific evidence is the way to discuss and resolve the issue? Wouldn't you agree that refusals to offer evidence and refusals to examine any offered evidence works counter to discussion and resolution?

--Percy


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Message 92 of 277 (836781)
07-22-2018 9:07 AM


Runaway Insultfest
I am by necessity a part-time moderator, as I usually work from 3 pm to midnight most days.

I have read the previous replies since I was here last and see that this thread is going nowhere fast.

As a political moderate, I feel that I am in a position to moderate a topic regarding Right vs Left political values, opinions, evidence pro and con, and the usual EvC insult fest which has become all too common around this forum these days.

The thread is about Jeanine's Pirro's book Liars Leakers and Liberals: The Case Against the Anti-Trump Conspiracy.

Lets begin by focusing on that.

I am closing this thread for one day in order to allow the author the opportunity to regroup and if she so chooses to continue with this thread.

Faith, need I remind you what you yourself have said regarding the motive for this thread?

quote:
I just read Chapter One at Amazon and think she did such a good job I had to post it. I'd copy out some of it but I'd have to type it myself. Maybe I can come back later and do that. Meanwhile, I recommend reading that first chapter to anyone at all interested.
So first of all, I insist that anyone who participates in this thread focus solely on the book and provide quotes...note that most of us have not purchased the book (including Faith) and are limited to discussing the first chapter provided on Amazon.

I will not allow this thread to further descend into personal attacks from either side.

Present your case based on what is written. Limit your comments to what is written. Once I reopen this thread, assuming the author even wants to continue, I will be issuing 4-hour suspensions automatically for either side deviating from discussing the book itself.

As of 706 am Mountain time, I am closing this thread for half a day while everyone regroups.


  
Percy
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Message 93 of 277 (836789)
07-22-2018 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Faith
07-21-2018 6:19 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
Faith writes:

As usual. I'm talking to blind unthinking bias.

Regardless of the validity of this accusation against Capt Stormfield, don't you want to show how your own views are based upon reality, i.e., based upon statements and actions rather than upon "blind unthinking bias?" I presume you would want to do that, so I must ask how you propose to do that if you're refusing to consider anyone's evidence or offer any of your own?

--Percy


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Message 94 of 277 (836792)
07-22-2018 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Percy
07-22-2018 3:11 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
I did ask you to leave this thread, Percy, which considering that I left yours is the right thing for you to do.

I'm tired of the debate here. I'm tired of the uncivil behavior which is now shared and even encouraged by you and the other admins though you deny it and justify it instead. Yes I'm guilty too though I would argue that I aim at ideas far more than at people.

No I'm sick of having to account for everything, I'm sick of the implications that a person can't just give an opinion and be treated with respect. No, you don't get away with dismissing Pirro's first chapter as a bunch of lies, no. I'm not playing any more.

There's a "versus" in the title of EvC but it's way overplayed. You put up the headline "Understanding through Discussion" but you obviously don't believe it or intend to honor it. Go ahead keep ripping my character and calling it debate, that's all anybody here is really good at. No, if anyone wants to discuss any of this you have to discuss it as if there is real observation and good judgment on the side of your opponents. Otherwise forget it, I'm not playing.

ABE: All the ways this can be distorted just came to mind so I'm sure I can expect a few pages of utter weirdness to follow instead of a sincere attempt to get what I'm saying in the spirit and perspective I intend.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 95 of 277 (836793)
07-22-2018 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
07-22-2018 3:32 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
Faith writes:

No, if anyone wants to discuss any of this you have to discuss it as if there is real observation and good judgment on the side of your opponents.

Real observation and good judgement are supported by real evidence and good facts.

Please present the evidence that supports the assertion that there is an anti-Trump Conspiracy.


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Message 96 of 277 (836794)
07-22-2018 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by jar
07-22-2018 3:36 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
I might add that though jars request is reasonable, the topic is the book and what it says. There may well be no evidence in the book, apart from the opinions of the author, but this is the Book Nook and this topic is limited to the book itself.

  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    AdminPhat
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    Message 97 of 277 (836795)
    07-22-2018 3:50 PM
    Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
    07-22-2018 3:32 PM


    Re: Focus On The Book
    You might consider opening future topics like this up in the free-for-all if you simply want to rant at others. I wont take sides here---they are guilty of goading you into providing evidence, which you feel no need to do...and you have a right to rant, but not in a rational Book Nook discussion.

  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    Hyroglyphx
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    Message 98 of 277 (836796)
    07-22-2018 4:11 PM
    Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
    07-22-2018 7:01 AM


    [Redacted due to AdminPhat's advisory]

    Question though... while not explicitly discussing the book, are topics concerning an alleged Anti-Trump "conspiracy" allowed?

    Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

    Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


    "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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    Message 99 of 277 (836798)
    07-22-2018 5:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 98 by Hyroglyphx
    07-22-2018 4:11 PM


    Focus On This Topic
    I would prefer for the evidence to be centered on the book itself. There are always other topics for what you suggest. Within the contents of the book, (or Chapter One for most of us) anything can be reasonably discussed as long as we lay off each other.

  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
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    Message 100 of 277 (836800)
    07-22-2018 5:21 PM
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    07-22-2018 5:06 PM


    Re: Focus On This Topic
    Phat writes:

    Within the contents of the book, (or Chapter One for most of us) anything can be reasonably discussed as long as we lay off each other.


    Chapter One seems to be a rant with no content.

    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Message 101 of 277 (836802)
    07-22-2018 5:30 PM
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    07-22-2018 5:21 PM


    Re: Focus On This Topic
    Actually the whole book is a "rant," yes I did buy the kindle version. It has plenty of content though, but it is an opinion piece, statement after tstatement of the conservative point of view.

    Most of the topics don't really lend themselves to evidence, they are judgment calls. She sometimes mentions various indications that she reads in support of her opinion, such as the outrageous total blitz against Trump in every news outlet. You can't expect the press to come out and say "we're dedicated to taking down Trump no matter what rules of journalism and basic human decency we have to violate." So you read the signs and interpret them according to your viewpoint.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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    ringo
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    Message 102 of 277 (836803)
    07-22-2018 5:34 PM
    Reply to: Message 101 by Faith
    07-22-2018 5:30 PM


    Re: Focus On This Topic
    Faith writes:

    Most of the topics don't really lend themselves to evidence, they are judgment calls.


    Exactly. So any talk about a "conspiracy" is nonsense. You might as well claim there's a conspiracy to like ice cream.

    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Faith 
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    Message 103 of 277 (836805)
    07-22-2018 5:36 PM
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    07-22-2018 5:34 PM


    Re: Focus On This Topic
    If you will not treat the opinions expressed on this thread with respect I recommend you go elsewhere.

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    Message 104 of 277 (836806)
    07-22-2018 5:40 PM
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    07-22-2018 5:36 PM


    Re: Focus On This Topic
    Faith writes:

    If you will not treat the opinions expressed on this thread with respect I recommend you go elsewhere.


    If you give me half the respect I give you, they'll tell us to get a room.

    Edited by ringo, : Spellinge.


    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    jar
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    Message 105 of 277 (836808)
    07-22-2018 5:44 PM


    What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
    What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph of the book? In particular, what is the evidence to support an assertion that "If the first family had a dog, they would probably call it a Russian bot."

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