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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Percy
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Message 121 of 277 (836849)
07-23-2018 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Faith
07-22-2018 5:30 PM


Re: Focus On This Topic
Faith writes:

Most of the topics don't really lend themselves to evidence, they are judgment calls.

Well, yes. That's why I keep introducing specific things that Trump has said or done. Take us through your reasoning that leads you to conclude the media is misreporting things.

She sometimes mentions various indications that she reads in support of her opinion, such as the outrageous total blitz against Trump in every news outlet.

What "total blitz"? For example, I'm looking at today's New York Times front page, and regarding actual news (not the editorial section) there's only one article about Trump, Trump Threatens Iran in Tweet, Warning of Dire ‘Consequences’. I've read the article, and you could read it, too, then we could discuss whether you really think it reflects a "total blitz" of anti-Trump rhetoric. Fox News has their own article that though shorter says pretty much the same thing: Trump warns Iran's Rouhani to stop the threats or suffer historic consequences.

You can't expect the press to come out and say "we're dedicated to taking down Trump no matter what rules of journalism and basic human decency we have to violate."

Provide an example.

So you read the signs and interpret them according to your viewpoint.

Point us to these signs you're interpreting.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 122 of 277 (836850)
07-23-2018 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
07-22-2018 5:36 PM


Re: Focus On This Topic
Faith writes:

If you will not treat the opinions expressed on this thread with respect I recommend you go elsewhere.

Asking you to support your opinions with evidence and argument is not only reasonable, it's in the Forum Guidelines:

  1. Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Fix formatting.


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Message 123 of 277 (836851)
07-23-2018 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
07-23-2018 1:29 AM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
I think it odd that the part of the electorate that most loudly demands the ongoing right to bear arms for, amongst other things, the purpose of keeping government in line, gets cranky when someone gets shouted at in a restaurant. They seem to have lost their own plot vis a vis how careful politicians should need to be about pissing people off.

ABE - Jar's earlier post pretty much covered my thinking.

Edited by Capt Stormfield, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 124 of 277 (836852)
07-23-2018 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
07-22-2018 8:51 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
Faith writes:

I don't have answers since I don't follow politics much these days,...

But you follow the news, right? You *did* see the news reporting the meetings with Kim Jung Un and Putin, didn't you? Assuming you do follow the news (because if you don't then you have no right to an opinion about what it says), you should explain what you're reading or watching in that news that is leading you to your conclusions.

...but I'm very sure conservatives who keep up with these things do. Pirro probably does, so if I run across relevant comments I'll post them.

Good idea.

Meanwhile my opinion is you are just falling for the leftist party line.

Would this be, for example, the leftist party line that the rightist party line agrees with about Trump's performance in Helsinki? If not, tell us what you're talking about? If you don't follow the news, how do you know it has a leftist party line (again, we're not talking about the editorial portions - all news outlets have them, including Fox News and Breitbart).

You love to post long lists to promote the illusion you have lots of evidence.

I post long lists because you rarely respond to points I make, so after a while I gather them into a list so they are not forgotten.

The lists you posted to prove me wrong on the last evolution thread I'd already answered but that doesn't stop you. It's an illusion you like to create and it fools you as much as anyone else.

But you didn't answer anything. You typed a few words of response to each point. I posted detailed explanations of the problems with everything you said, but you barely responded. Message 79 and Message 88 are still there. You ignored almost all of both messages, and in the couple points we discussed you eventually ceased replying. So all those issues are still open and unaddressed. Open a new thread to discuss them, if you like, but keep in mind that one and two sentence brush-offs aren't answers.

ABE My guess would be that most of them are exaggerations, distortions, willful misunderstandings or the like.

My certainty is that your guess is wrong. Pick a news article you don't like and let's go through it.

EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ABOUT MUSIM IMMIGRATION. Restricting it is the only sane thing to do and criticizing it is suicidal.

All immigration is restricted. Followers of Islam will be screened just like all other immigrants.

--Percy


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Message 125 of 277 (836856)
07-23-2018 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Faith
07-22-2018 6:20 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
Faith writes:

THE LEVEL OF SLANDER....


It isn't slander. It's his own words that condemn him.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 126 of 277 (836857)
07-23-2018 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
07-22-2018 8:51 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
Faith writes:

I don't have answers since I don't follow politics much these days....


So once again, you know "the truth" without actually having any information on the subject.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 127 of 277 (836900)
07-24-2018 12:42 AM
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07-23-2018 11:48 AM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
It isn't slander. It's his own words that condemn him.

It's his literal words taken out of context, misquoted, twisted to mean something entirely different, headlined in a way to imply something they are not and so on. That you all can't see this is very sad. Marc9000 is doing a creditable job of trying to describe this on the Trump Bashing Thread.


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Message 128 of 277 (836902)
07-24-2018 12:47 AM
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07-24-2018 12:42 AM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
Then please provide examples.

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Message 129 of 277 (836903)
07-24-2018 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Percy
07-23-2018 11:16 AM


Re: Focus On The Book
No I don't follow the news. I see headlines on the internet, sometimes I read part of the story. Sometimes I hear it on the car radio when I'm being driven somewhere. I get the basic gist of some things. and I see some of what gets written on the Trump Bashing Thread which makes me sick. I cannot stomach what the Left is doing to him and to the nation, I really can't. I have to shut it out or it will kill me.

Sometimes I wish I were up on this so I could argue it but I can't do it and that is that. I wanted the thread to represent an alternative view to the Trump Bashing Thread, but forget it. You win, I lose, the Left wins, the nation loses.


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Message 130 of 277 (836905)
07-24-2018 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
07-24-2018 12:48 AM


Re: Focus On The Book
In other words you can’t stand to see any criticism of Trump, no matter whether it is deserved or not. You neither know nor care about that.

The imaginary “conspiracy” is just an excuse to present yourself as righteous.

You have no problem with Pizzagate even though there is no doubt that it is virtually all invented - because you are fine with spreading hate against Democrats. But when Trump acts in ways that even Newt Gingrich finds unacceptable you get upset that the media reports it. If you want to talk about bias and a lack of objectivity start with that. You’d have to look hard to find a more extreme example.


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Percy
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Message 131 of 277 (836917)
07-24-2018 10:08 AM
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07-24-2018 12:42 AM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
Faith writes:

It isn't slander. It's his own words that condemn him.

It's his literal words taken out of context, misquoted, twisted to mean something entirely different, headlined in a way to imply something they are not and so on.

You keep saying this, but you never provide examples. Today's papers are quoting Trump's late night tweet threatening Iran and quoting the tweet:

quote:
To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

An article quoting Trump's tweet verbatim and writing about it cannot be considered "taken out of context, misquoted, twisted to mean something entirely different, headlined in a way to imply something they are." Here's the Washington Post article: Trump stokes Iran tensions with threats of dire consequences for Tehran. Give it a read and you'll see that nothing was misquoted, taken out of context, twisted, or misimplied.

I looked up the same topic at Fox News and Breitbart, but Fox News only had a video (I prefer the printed word) and Breitbart's article was so brief as to not be worth mentioning.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 132 of 277 (836918)
07-24-2018 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
07-24-2018 12:48 AM


Re: Focus On The Book
Faith writes:

No I don't follow the news.

Then what qualifies you to comment on it?

I see headlines on the internet, sometimes I read part of the story.

For example...

Sometimes I hear it on the car radio when I'm being driven somewhere.

For example...

I get the basic gist of some things. and I see some of what gets written on the Trump Bashing Thread which makes me sick.

For example...

I cannot stomach what the Left is doing to him and to the nation, I really can't.

For example...

I have to shut it out or it will kill me.

Then you should never have started this thread. Don't you think the drama is getting a bit old? Like years and years old?

Sometimes I wish I were up on this so I could argue it but I can't do it and that is that. I wanted the thread to represent an alternative view to the Trump Bashing Thread, but forget it. You win, I lose, the Left wins, the nation loses.

Yeah, sure. As if you don't post appeals to sympathy like this over and over again, then resume posting aggressively and antagonistically. You are not the topic. Leave you and your feelings out of this, especially since after all this time they're obviously just false ploys.

Some examples, please.

--Percy


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Message 133 of 277 (836922)
07-24-2018 12:23 PM
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07-24-2018 12:42 AM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
Faith writes:

It's his literal words taken out of context, misquoted, twisted to mean something entirely different, headlined in a way to imply something they are not and so on.


Nonsense. When he compares a black person to a monkey, that is not being taken out of context. He is not being misquoted; it's right there on Twitter in black and white. It is not being twisted.

ABE:

Sorry, it was Roseanne Barr who compared a black woman to a monkey. However, it's very easy to find racist quotes by Trump.

Edited by ringo, : Factual error.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 134 of 277 (836932)
07-24-2018 12:43 PM
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07-24-2018 12:23 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
...it's right there on Twitter....

I would think that if Trump were worried about context, he wouldn't make so much use of a medium that's limited to 280 characters.



What do you despise? By this are you truly known. -- Frank Herbert

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ringo
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Message 135 of 277 (836934)
07-24-2018 12:50 PM
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07-24-2018 12:43 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
Chiroptera writes:

I would think that if Trump were worried about context, he wouldn't make so much use of a medium that's limited to 280 characters.


And of course, the context is the rest of his Twitter posts.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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