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Is The World Getting Better Or Worse?

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Message 697 of 762 (864658)
10-14-2019 12:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 694 by ringo
10-14-2019 12:33 PM

sorry, not quite
We agree that there isn't any evidence of God but the proper conclusion is that there is no known evidence of God,
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Fixed it.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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10-14-2019 1:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 698 by jar
10-14-2019 12:49 PM

Re: sorry, not quite
... The absence of holes in the target is evidence the target was not hit.
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But not that bullets/arrows/etc do not exist or were fired at the target.
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Message 701 of 762 (864665)
10-14-2019 1:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 699 by ringo
10-14-2019 12:56 PM

Re: sorry, not quite
... Your "correction" is circular: ...
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Nope. Tautological maybe but not circular. The absence of evidence for "X" does not mean "X" does not exist, just that evidence for it has not been found/discovered (yet).
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... Not very useful.
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Curiously, I find it more useful to be clear on the logic rather than skip a step. That's why I added "known" to the syllogism.
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You can probably think of a few things that used to be unevidenced but that are now known.
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10-14-2019 2:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 702 by ringo
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Re: sorry, not quite
so evidence that has not yet been discovered is known?
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10-15-2019 8:05 AM 		Reply to: Message 704 by jar
10-14-2019 2:48 PM

Re: sorry, not quite
But if the claim was that the target was hit it is evidence that the target was not hit.
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Then I'd guess that saying "absence of evidence is evidence of the absence of evidence" and not saying that the target was hit, would be a good thing.
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