Is The World Getting Better Or Worse?

The climate deniers are on a recent and massive internet campaign to throw salt, sand and probably carbon dioxide onto the science sites that report the actual climate science facts especially the reporting of the happenings this past month.Here is one such target, ScienceAlert, and their analysis of recent comments to their climate change articles. Do not feed the climate trolls(emphasis mine)

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Our readers have expressed surprise at just how many climate change deniers appear to be following us. Lately, every time we post a climate news article on Facebook, with astonishing speed and ferocity the comment section becomes a hot-pot of climate denialism.

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Posts will receive hundreds of comments in a short amount of time, often in wild disproportion to the actual reach of the post, or the readership of the article itself. Those metrics are a clear sign the engagement is not organic, but is coming from a targeted source.

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As public acceptance of climate science continues to shift towards the scientific consensus, the insidious lobbies who have long-funded climate change denial are mobilising. Their goal is to erode the "consensus gap" between climate scientists and the public. It's nothing new.

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We don't know where these climate trolls roost. Maybe they come from self-organising grassroots groups with secret Facebook pages. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.

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We can't stress that enough: do not engage. Every time you reply to an inflammatory comment, Facebook's algorithm pushes it to the top, where more people inevitably jump into the fray. Next thing we know, several threads are spiralling into a shouting match, all while drowning out the important climate news we are trying to share with the world.

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It is vitally important to recognise that these shouting matches are far from harmless. Those people you see spewing nonsense about the 'climate hysteria' are not doing so because they're waiting to be persuaded by scientific facts.

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They have come to ScienceAlert's page with one goal only: to sow dissent, pollute the conversation, and make it appear that the science of climate change is to be doubted, that it's all some massive conspiracy of "money-grubbing scientists"

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This kind of intense reaction to science fact in the face of business propaganda we have seen before. Remember Big Tobacco.This is not a normal social disagreement. This is an orchestrated campaign by a well funded targeted lobby.Can anyone guess who?

How do you know? Have you tried it? There is no room in a monotheistic religion for two (or three) gods. There is no room in a "personal relationship" for a mediator.

That analogy only works insofar as the "relationship" is a fantasy.

Here's the problem AGAIN. Such a complaint is as good as saying those who disagree with you have no right to their opinion. That does seem to be the general view of the Climate Change contingent, and indeed the Left in general on almost any subject at all. we are not allowed to have a different opinion, we are not allowed even to be wrong, we must be treated like evil stupid people. Such issues are destroying all civility in this nation, no more freedom of speech etc.So the world is rapidly being destroyed, the human race will probably be among the living things who go extinct, and it's specifically blamed o people who don't agree with the science you treat as perfection itself.THIS IS TOTALITARIANISM. When you identify any group in such terms you might as well be saying they should be exterminated so the "correct" understanding can prevail. This is Political Correctness to the max. Just because it hasn't YET come to this doesn't mean all the ingredients for it are not in place because they are. Add to this reasoning about supposed "deniers" the emotional speech by a Swedish teenager and we've got it all in place to force dissenters to shut up one way or another. All it takes is a strong belief in their own rightness by people in a position to force their will on others and hear comes a bloody Suppression. So in a few decades perhaps their horrific mistake will be recognized but meanwhile the destruction is beyond repair. No it hasn't happened here YET but your point of view is where it starts. The Communist Chinese leadership is persecuting religious believers and will no doubt soon be murdering the freedom lovers of Hong Kong. THAT is what comes of such views in the hands of the power elite.I'm very serious. This kind of thinking is dangerous. Identifying those of another opinion who are just living their lives as committing some great evil against you all is dangerous. You have no reason to accuse even Big Carbon of not caring or manipulating things to bring about these horrors you identify. Even if there's something to it this is a dangerous kind of focus to have. Identifying other people as bringing about the destruction of the world, of living things, of humanity itself, can only build a murderous hatred toward such supposed miscreants.This is why I keep trying to come up with solutions for those who believe as you do that don't cram your beliefs down the throats of the rest of us. And by the way it seems the whole collection of Democratic candidates for the Presidency subscribe to one version or another of cramming their views down the throats of those of a different opinion. Presumably the American Founders were particularly concerned to prevent this very sort of tyranny from occurring here, and I can still hope their thinking may slow it down at least, but it looks to me like the usual forces of tyranny may have found a way to circumvent their work.I think if I had believed so strongly in the dangers of Climate Change over the last few decades during which you think we should have heeded the alarms, I would have found a way to move north and establish some kind of self-sufficiency for me and my family, made preparations for the most dangerous changes, done my best to persuade others to join me, focused on persuasion rather than accusation, encouraged the next generation to think about how to mitigate the bad effects that are predicted and so on. Why is this not the main way you are all responding to this supposed crisis? Why do you feel the need to make us all bend to your way of thinking?I agree with you that it looks like we may have a dictatorship in our future, but I think you are completely wrong about who it will be and why.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

They have every right to be stupid but they do not have the right to try to impose their stupidity on the rest of us.

That's the thing jar. They are not imposinbg anything on anybody, they are just living their lives. It is the Climate Change people who want to impose their view on the rest of us and treat us as criminals for merely disagreeing with you. And no we do not even have a right to be stupid. That's the whole point I'm making."Climate trolls?" You mean vermin like the Jews in Hitler's germany?"Attack?" Trying to get their opinion in edgewise? Nothing could more clearly demonstrate the view that there is only one allowable opinion here and those who oppose it, or resist it, or doubt it, are evil trolls.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I did not use the term Climate Trolls but no, they are not like the Jews in Germany but rather just like the Corporations that gladly built the Death Camps and Incinerators and Poison Gas and that gladly used the slave labor and enjoyed the properties stolen from the Jews.And of course you have the right to be stupid; I already said that in the very post to which you are replying.

No if the Climate Change people are going to call me a Climate Troll for not being on board with the Climate Change Science, I do NOT have a right even to be stupid. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Of course we fight the attempt to cram this stuff down our throats because it is going to drastically change the world we live in and impose all kinds of hardships on us that you all don't seem to care about at all you are so carried away by your hysteria. And calling us Trolls for our disagreement really is like calling us vermin under Hitler. We are human beings trying to live our lives and the Climate Change thing is out to make our lives miserable for no reason we are able to agree with. OF COURSE we dissent, OF COURSE we protest.AGAIN, why aren't all you true believers making the kinds of personal changes to prepare for what you supposedly believe is coming as I suggested I would have? When you carry on as if nothing bad is coming you don't have much persuasive power with the rest of us. When all you want to do is make the rest of us miserable on the basis of your belief you don't even seem to take seriously yourselves, when you call us names for resisting you, I think most of us just dig in deeper against you. You are not doing a very good job of preparing yourselves or us for this catastrophe you say you believe in but don't.

That's like complaining that drunk drivers are just living their lives and MADD wants to impose their view on the rest of us.

Yes, you still have the right to be stupid. You do not have the right to prevent people from pointing it out.

Let me put it this way: So far I have this right to be stupid but it is very clear that you who diszagree with me think I shouldnj't have it. and when you can manage to pull it off you will make sure my opinion gets done away with and the miseries you want to impose on the world get imposed.

No it absolutely is not like that. Nobody is driving drunk, people are going on with their lives and along comes this gigantic Scientific Theory that tells us we have to give up all kinds of things that make our lives comfortable because of this vague threat that as far as we can see has been conjured up out of thin air for the purpose of making us miserable. And you don't even focus on the real offenders according to your own theory, you focus on the US which has done the most toward meeting your demands.Let's focus on ways to prevent cats from doing away with the entire bird population.

What you shouldn't have and don't have is the right to silence the people who point out the stupidity.

Oh golly gosh I'm SILENCING you poor Climate Hysterics? Oh forgive me please. You are all so good at turning things around since it is you all who are determined to silence my side of this.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.