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Faith
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Message 466 of 713 (863941)
10-03-2019 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by PaulK
10-03-2019 2:18 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
He thnks global warming exists too, just not to the level you all believe.

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Faith
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Message 467 of 713 (863942)
10-03-2019 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 463 by jar
10-03-2019 2:10 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
I thought oil and gas production was already effectively shut down and you all hate Trump because he revived it. Looks to me like shutting it down remains on the Left's agenda.

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PaulK
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Message 468 of 713 (863944)
10-03-2019 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by Faith
10-03-2019 2:21 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
He’s still opposing the science, and he is still not a moderate.

And I note that you don’t address the other points I made. Do you really feel that car manufacturers should be discouraged by the government from producing more efficient vehicles ?


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Faith
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Message 469 of 713 (863947)
10-03-2019 2:44 PM
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10-03-2019 2:35 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
He's not opposing the science, he just thinks there are more issues that aren't being taken into account.

I would assume if it's true that the production of more efficient vehicles is being discouraged that there is some reason for that you aren't mentioning.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 470 of 713 (863948)
10-03-2019 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by Faith
10-03-2019 2:44 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
quote:
He's not opposing the science, he just thinks there are more issues that aren't being taken into account

Well, there aren’t any of significance. They’ve all been examined.

quote:
I would assume if it's true that the production of more efficient vehicles is being discouraged that there is some reason for that you aren't mentioning.

I am not aware of any good reason why Trump would set the DoJ on a group of car manufacturers agreeing to make more efficient vehicles, nor can I think of any. If you know of one, please inform me.


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jar
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Message 471 of 713 (863952)
10-03-2019 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by Faith
10-03-2019 2:22 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Faith writes:

I thought oil and gas production was already effectively shut down and you all hate Trump because he revived it.

And as usual you are simply wrong.

Trump has not revived any industry or added any jobs or provided any support for the middle and lower class.


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Theodoric
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Message 472 of 713 (863959)
10-03-2019 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Hyroglyphx
09-25-2019 2:04 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
Still waiting on the data showing poor people are the fattest.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 473 of 713 (863961)
10-03-2019 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by Faith
10-03-2019 2:20 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
You could probably find a more effective collection of heretics to jawbone somewhere besides EvC.

Not really. In my other haunts there are people equally as intractably stupid as here. It appears to be a human thing.

And this is Trump territory. I'm surprised I haven't been shot in my favorite watering hole.

But everybody there knows my name. When I walk in everyone shouts, "AZPaul!" They drop the 3 out of affection.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Coragyps
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Message 474 of 713 (863964)
10-03-2019 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by Faith
10-03-2019 2:22 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Oil and gas production reached record levels in the US during Mr Obama’s administration.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 475 of 713 (863965)
10-04-2019 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by AZPaul3
10-03-2019 4:34 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
And this is Trump territory.
Im only aware of one member who publically supports Trump. I think he has had his run...we need somebody new.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 476 of 713 (863966)
10-04-2019 2:21 AM
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10-03-2019 3:37 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Trump has not revived any industry or added any jobs or provided any support for the middle and lower class.
The conservatives would argue that its the middle that has to pay the bill. The wealthy need tax breaks to stimulate the economy and the poor need a break. Its always the poor who threaten the middle, however. They will take our jobs at cheaper wages. I'm too old to compete.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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AZPaul3
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Message 477 of 713 (863967)
10-04-2019 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 475 by Thugpreacha
10-04-2019 2:19 AM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
And this is Trump territory.

Im only aware of one member who publically supports Trump.

I thought I might have worded that wrong.

I meant to reference my here at home liveware community not this most wonderful internet address virtual community.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 478 of 713 (863968)
10-04-2019 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 477 by AZPaul3
10-04-2019 3:11 AM


As For Our Virtual World? Its Getting Better
AZPaul writes:

I meant to reference my here at home liveware community not this most wonderful internet address virtual community.

Ahhh ok! I value our community here also. I've been studying and listening to a lot of arguments both from apologists and atheists on the rationality and probability of their respective world views. That's one of the primary issues and topics that I usually like to discuss/debate with you guys. And I will honestly say that though I do not necessarily like the counter-arguments to my own world view (they are stressful as they cause cognitive dissonance in my mind) I feel that my soul is at peace and that there is a sort of mutual tolerance here at EvC...dare I say even a modicum of respect. The fact that we never agree seems to spark continued discussions on what otherwise would be tired and washed up old topics.

I will admit that I get frustrated with some of my opponents here at our forum. I don't think I would ever trade y'all in for any new bunch, however. Take jar, for example. I have gone rounds with him for years and he usually if not always wins. (has the most logical arguments)

Ringo also forces me to think. Granted he always accuses me of throwing the message away, but nobody really knows what I do on a daily basis--they only judge me based on my arguments here at EvC. And I will admit, sometimes I just come here to rant. As for you, AZ Paul, I will have to take a look back at what you have said and give you a critique as an ideological opponent. But I will say upfront that it has been a pleasure to discuss religion, atheism, logic, reason, and reality with you.

As to my morning assessment of the overall topic at hand:

The world is getting better in some ways and remains vulnerable in other ways. The fact is that the global population is rapidly rising to a critical mass beyond which the planet cannot comfortably support. Human greed and competition are a trait which we seem to be embroiled in arguments over.

I saw a show on Amazon Prime just recently that discussed the very real problem of running out of water. Well, to be more precise, of having it cost far more due to the law of supply and demand. And that issue alone is a possible cause of future wars.

As for the whole belief/God/Jesus/helper issue, I believe that even if our belief is true and that God will return--as the man Christ, it won't be simply to rescue us and wipe away every tear. I feel that were I God and were I to have to return, as prophesied, the humans would be forced to learn some very life-altering lessons about themselves and their real character before I returned. It could be a giant test. And this applies even if God never existed also.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : added color


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Faith
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Message 479 of 713 (863970)
10-04-2019 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by AZPaul3
10-03-2019 4:34 PM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
In my other haunts there are people equally as intractably stupid as here. It appears to be a human thing.
And this is Trump territory. I'm surprised I haven't been shot in my favorite watering hole.
But everybody there knows my name. When I walk in everyone shouts, "AZPaul!" They drop the 3 out of affection.

Oh! They love you but you call them intractably stupid.


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AZPaul3
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Message 480 of 713 (863975)
10-04-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 479 by Faith
10-04-2019 11:32 AM


Re: A molderate point of view on climate change
Are you assuming *all* of them are stupid or that stupid people are incapable of such affections?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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