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caffeine
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Message 751 of 762 (866256)
11-08-2019 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by Faith
11-06-2019 4:51 AM


Re: 11,000 Alarm Bells
"Per capita" is deceptive and intended to be deceptive of course. Absolute contribution is what matters when we are talking about greenhouse gases.

In a sense that's true, but in another sense of course it's not. If you're considering what should a particular government do to assist; then per capita is the only real way that makes sense. Otherwise we're in some ludicrous situation in which we pretend the majority of the world's countries don't matter and can do what they like. We here in Europe can change lifestyles, not to try and reduce our carbon output, but can increase it massively! After all, we here in Czech Republic could produce 25,000 times more carbon dioxide, and we'd still contribute less than the US! Let's start burning!

Obviously that makes no sense.

The article is not aimed at the US specifically. It's aimed at the world. Amongst their specific recommendations are to end fossil fuel subsidies - which are huge in Turkey, Iran and Russia. They talk about family planning policies they think should be introduced in Africa, Latin America and Asia.

This isn't foreigners picking on the US - there are loads of American signatories. Most of the authors who actually drafted the text are Americans.


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Message 752 of 762 (866257)
11-08-2019 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:28 PM


Waiting
Still waiting on those sources that you claim know how to research.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 753 of 762 (866258)
11-08-2019 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by Faith
11-05-2019 11:07 PM


Still waiting for legitimate scientists that disagree

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 754 of 762 (866259)
11-08-2019 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:28 PM


Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
We're still waiting.

Message 747

Faith writes:

What you all "tell" me is what is *****, my sources are good researchers.
I didn't name the entitlements so you are assuming a lot.

Message 748

jar writes:

So name the entitlements.

Message 749

DWise1 writes:

To add to jar's extremely reasonable request that you name the entitlements, please also add the following information about those entitlements:

  1. Name the source of their funding; eg, from which government funds, from which taxes or other revenue sources.

  2. List how much is allotted to them.

  3. Tell us what percentage of total government expenditures goes to those entitlements.

  4. Explain to us the effect that eliminating those entitlements would have on the deficit. Use specific numbers.

What you all "tell" me is what is *****, my sources are good researchers.

We are giving you the straight facts from our sources which includes the Social Security Administration, the people who actually work with SS for a living. You haven't even bothered to name your sources nor what their "sources" are supposed to be.

Message 750

Theodoric writes:

Name your sources. I am quite sure I can show they are not honest or are not telling the whole truth.

Message 752

Theodoric writes:

Still waiting on those sources that you claim know how to research.

Yet again it turns out that you were just blowing smoke.

Edited by dwise1, : Changed sub-topic title to explicitly name Faith


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Faith
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Message 755 of 762 (866260)
11-08-2019 4:15 PM
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11-08-2019 3:17 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
Nobody has ever named the entitlements to me so I can't name them to you. If I find out I'll let you know.

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Message 756 of 762 (866262)
11-08-2019 4:34 PM
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11-08-2019 4:15 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
Faith writes:

Nobody has ever named the entitlements to me so I can't name them to you. If I find out I'll let you know.

Classic.

Of course they don't name the entitlements because they know that they don't exist and that their audience has been taught to accept TESTIMONY without question or thought.


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dwise1
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Message 757 of 762 (866264)
11-08-2019 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 755 by Faith
11-08-2019 4:15 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
Nobody has ever named the entitlements to me so I can't name them to you. If I find out I'll let you know.

So in other words you have no idea what you are talking about!

You should have some clue if you had done any of the research yourself, but you haven't. Instead, you depend on shysters telling you that they had done the research, but how could you know that what they are telling you is correct?

FOR THAT MATTER, you hypocrite! You took us to task for "assuming" which entitlements you were talking about. But now it turns out that you yourself have absolutely no idea which entitlements you were talking about! HYPOCRITE! And if you had ever actually read the Gospels, you would know what Jesus thought of you hypocrites.

If I find out I'll let you know.

I've been dealing with creationists since the late 1980's. I have seen that particular liie far too many times, so I know exactly what dishonest trick you are trying to pull. You are just trying to beat a hasty retreat covered by a smoke screen. In over three decades of dealing with creationists, not a single promise of further research has ever been honored. Every single such promise has been nothing but an outright and deliberate liie. As is your own that you just gave us. We all know all too well the deliberate liie that you are practicing here.

 
In those over-three-decades of dealing with creationists online I have noticed some very definite patterns.

For one thing, the absolutely worst thing you could do to a creationist would be to take his claims at face value and try to discuss them with him. Doing that would trigger very or extremely offensive behavior from that creationist. The basic reason was that none of those creationists had any clue what they were talking about, so they were completely unable to discuss their own claims which pushed them to use other disgusting means of avoiding discussion.

Here's the situation, which should be very familiar for you regarding your parroting of right-wingnut talking points. Those creationists were well studied in what the creationist arguments said, but they had no understanding of how those arguments had been constructed nor any knowledge of the underlying science that supposedly supported those arguments. Because they had never thought any of those claims and arguments through, they were completely unprepared to discuss those claims and arguments. As a result, their only option was to kill the discussion by any means possible regardless of how vicious. My page of Encounters with Creationists describes it better as well as sharing the experience of others.

That is why I took you to task for your misapplied reference to "normal thinking people" in an earlier message (tracking it down would be a waste of effort because of what you are). You are not a thinking person. You never think through anything that you parrot here. If you had thought any of it through, then you would be able to discuss or defend or even just support what you parrot. But you are completely incapable of doing so, which means that you have indeed not thought any of it through.

Think about what you are being told. Question it. Verify it. At the very least, you would be better able to defend it. Ideally, you will see how they are deceiving you.


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Faith
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Message 758 of 762 (866265)
11-08-2019 5:06 PM
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11-08-2019 5:01 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
It is true I report what I hear from people I trust, and they do muster quite a bit of evidence for what they say. And when I do have the actual facts I do report them here.

And comparing politics with creationism is not a ********** comparison. There are facts that can be mustered for political issues that i'm just not always up on, but creationism is mostly a matter of interpretation, as is evolutionism. Different category of thought.


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Message 759 of 762 (866268)
11-08-2019 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 758 by Faith
11-08-2019 5:06 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
quote:
It is true I report what I hear from people I trust, and they do muster quite a bit of evidence for what they say

More accurately, you trust people who say things you like, even if they are usually *****. And you usually manage to get what they say wrong, anyway.

quote:
And comparing politics with creationism is not a legitimate comparison. There are facts that can be mustered for political issues that i'm just not always up on, but creationism is mostly a matter of interpretation, as is evolutionism. Different category of thought.

The Right has turned into a Satanic cult and Creationism was likely one from the start. It’s not surprising that they are similar.


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Theodoric
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Message 760 of 762 (866269)
11-08-2019 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 758 by Faith
11-08-2019 5:06 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
How about you just stop ******** threads? You make statements about issues you know nothing about and whine when people demand sources or evidence. You won't even give us the sources for the crap you post.
Maybe someday the admin and mods will hold you accountable to back up the shit and **** you post. Not holding my breath.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 761 of 762 (866271)
11-08-2019 5:55 PM
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11-08-2019 5:06 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
Faith writes:

It is true I report what I hear from people I trust, and they do muster quite a bit of evidence for what they say.

What led you to trust them?


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dwise1
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Message 762 of 762 (866273)
11-08-2019 6:00 PM
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11-08-2019 5:06 PM


Re: Still Waiting for Faith to Name Those Entitlements
And comparing politics with creationism is not a ********** comparison. There are facts that can be mustered for political issues that i'm just not always up on, but creationism is mostly a matter of interpretation, as is evolutionism. Different category of thought.

"legitimate" is a banned word? Well bugger me!

The comparison is not between creationism and politics, but rather in the commonality of the practitioners. Whenever you have proponents for any possible position who know nothing more than what the pushers of that position have to say, then this same situation will arise. That is what I was describing, followers who know nothing more than what they had been told and have never thought any of it through and thus are incapable of discussing nor defending any of it.

Not "different categories of thought", but rather the Same Old Situation (SOS, AKA "Same Old Shite").

It is true I report what I hear from people I trust, and they do muster quite a bit of evidence for what they say. And when I do have the actual facts I do report them here.

No you won't. You never have and you never will. We already know your wicked ways far too well.

Also, your handlers (the "people you trust") will never give you the details nor tell you the truth. For to do so would educate you and thus reduce their ability to deceive you.

..., and they do muster quite a bit of evidence for what they say.

Such as WHAT???

Have they presented any of that evidence to you? So then present it to us!

Oh, they only tell you that they have all this evidence but they don't present it to you. Yeah, we've seen that before.

True story. In the early 1980's, Charles Lang was a contract technical writer working with us on a military contract. He was the first young-earth creationist I had met. I talk about this in my 1990 essay for CompuServe, Why I Oppose Creation Science (or, How I got to Here from There) (my initial reasons for creating a web page was dual: 1) to learn HTML, and 2) to repost my uploads to CompuServe's Religion and Science Library).

Charles Lang and I attended a "creation/evolution debate" together:

quote:
All that I was learning came in handy, because on 28 September 1985, both Henry Morris and Duane Gish came to Long Beach to debate Frank Awbrey and William Thwaites (frequent contributors to C/E who together taught a Two-Model class at San Diego State University in which half the lectures were given by the ICR -- it was in this class that Gish's false claims about the bombardier beetle were exposed). In all, it went almost exactly as I had come to expect from the debates reported in Creation/Evolution Newsletter.

The punch line is that as we were leaving the "debate", Charles was almost literally in shock. He kept mumbling, "We have mountains of evidence that would blow the evolutionists away. Why didn't they present it? We have mountains of evidence. ... " These were his idols, Gish and H. Morris, who basically just caved when confronted by two university professors (San Diego State University).

The explanation of the punch line is that the creationists never had any such "mountains of evidence", but rather that was all just a massive liie they kept telling their followers.

You are now in the same situation. You have been fed all kinds of liies by the Trumpist right wingnuts, none of which are true. If you had even a sixteenth of the awareness that Charles Lang had had, you would also be wander about in shock that the liies you had been fed all this time were indeed liies.

BTW, an interesting bit of trivia: in the UK, "trump" means "fart". Oddly appropriate, don't you think?


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