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Message 193 of 1677 (839704)
09-13-2018 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
09-13-2018 2:23 PM


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Religious freedom under our Constitution is for people who live here, it isn't an invitation to others to come here and destroy our culture
In other words you want to deny religious freedom to some - there’s nothing in your Constitution saying that it doesn’t apply to would-be immigrants in their dealings with the government.
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It is a twisted perversion you are promoting, which is in fact right in line with the global conspiracy to kill western civilization.
There’s no twisting on MY part.
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I desperately care about a lot of people who are going to be subjected to the Islamic tyranny if thinking like yours prevails. I'm not talking about Christians by the way, but ordinary simple people just going about their lives without a clue to what the powers-that-be are brewing up against them.
The tyranny you want is hardly likely to be better. So why should I support that against a largely imaginary threat ? (A threat quite likely concocted to encourage a move towards tyranny)

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Message 202 of 1677 (839726)
09-14-2018 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
09-13-2018 6:24 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
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Like PaulK and like jar you just sling a lot of vicious accusations and offer no evidence.
Which, of course, is a lie.
Look Faith, we get that you are an evil lying hypocrite. I just don’t get why you think that demonstrating that again and again will silence your critics. It has failed again and again.

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Message 204 of 1677 (839729)
09-14-2018 2:12 AM
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09-14-2018 1:29 AM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
I get away with it because it’s true. You might better ask why you get away with your false accusations.

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Message 371 of 1677 (840774)
10-04-2018 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 370 by Phat
10-04-2018 9:53 AM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativism
Let’s note that the authors are complaining that news stories are NOT used to promote Christianity. That isn’t anti-Christian bias, it’s an absence of pro-Christian bias.

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Message 374 of 1677 (840779)
10-04-2018 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Phat
10-04-2018 11:08 AM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativism
Maybe, but not supporting is different from active opposition.

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Message 375 of 1677 (840780)
10-04-2018 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 373 by Faith
10-04-2018 11:24 AM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativism
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Actually they are complaining that news stories misrepresent the facts, and that they do this often in the direction of denigrating the Christian point of view
Which might easily be more a product of their bias than anything else.
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A history book left out the Protestant Reformation altogether.
I would be interested in knowing the truth about that one. (Of course I have a number if history books that don’t mention it - for the very good reason that they aren’t covering that period)
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Apart from the news media I notice all the time that entertainment, movies etc., are always misrepresenting and denigrating Christianity.
Coming from someone who frequently complains about truthful criticism that is not exactly worth much.

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PaulK
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Message 377 of 1677 (840797)
10-04-2018 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Faith
10-04-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
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The writers of this book are not idiots. They would know if the Protestant Reformation belonged in that history book or not
I invite you to contribute to uncovering the truth then. You can start by identifying the book in question.
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And your idea of "truthful criticism" is nothing but a personal slanderous attack on me which is officially against the rules here, though the place has been given over to sheer anarchy over the last few years, even with overt justification of this kind of personal attack. Really pretty sleazy stuff going on.
Exactly Faith. When people dare to truthfully criticise you, you start lying just like that. It’s exactly the same with the criticism of Trump, we get the fake news lies and the conspiracy lies.
But you are happy to credit absolutely fake news like Pizzagate.
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In any case it's got nothing to do with truth, it's all about your basic hateful attitude toward me personally. And I am pretty good at recognizing misrepresentations of Christianity in films.
You are pretty good at seeing what you want to see. As the first sentence there proves.

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Message 378 of 1677 (840799)
10-04-2018 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by PaulK
10-04-2018 11:34 AM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativism
An example of the author’s bias
Look at it this way: An atheist would argue that God, as a product of imagination, has no real place in an objective news report. A Christian would argue that God's existence and sovereign ty are objective truth, regardless of an atheist's personal belief in God's nonexistence. Is an objective reporter supposed to treat God as matter of fact (in which case he is joining the theistic side) or matter of opinion (in which case he has assumed the truth of atheism)?
You will note that the presentation is clearly slanted. Taking no position on an issue that cannot be objectively established either way is presented as taking a side.
Not only are the authors clearly biased, their presentation is clearly biased , too.
Chapter 4

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Message 380 of 1677 (840801)
10-04-2018 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 379 by Faith
10-04-2018 12:33 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
I can probably track it down, although the last time you demanded evidence and I gave it it just got ignored.
But are you going to claim that you condemned Pizzagate as - at the least- implausible and in need of evidence ? Because you know full well you would have gone a lot further if it had been directed at Trump or anyone you support.

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Message 382 of 1677 (840806)
10-04-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by Faith
10-04-2018 1:00 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
Some evidence ? You mean an email that seemed to be oddly worded - but might be just the writer’s style ? You think that’s even worth considering as evidence that a pizza restaurant has a basement full of abused children ?

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Message 384 of 1677 (840813)
10-04-2018 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by Faith
10-04-2018 1:12 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
Here’s one example:
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The only thing I know for sure about Pizzagate is that some very strange emails belonging to John Podesta were hacked and leaked, and what's strange about them is that there is no way to make sense of them. They seem to be about pizza or other food but nobody talks about food that way, so it appears they are some kind of code, and there are reasons to think the code refers to sex acts with children. We could look it up I suppose but I'd rather wait for HG.
Message 99

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Message 386 of 1677 (840817)
10-04-2018 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 385 by Faith
10-04-2018 2:08 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
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Thank you. Now I remember at least that the email did not read like any normal discussion of pizza. And that's all I said.
It certainly is not all you said
...there are reasons to think the code refers to sex acts with children
Goes rather further, does it not ?

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Message 388 of 1677 (840822)
10-04-2018 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by Faith
10-04-2018 11:24 AM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativism
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Actually they are complaining that news stories misrepresent the facts, and that they do this often in the direction of denigrating the Christian point of view.
And yet Chapter 2 is practically dedicated to the complaint that reports don’t reflect Christian belief.
chapter 2
Few reporters now accept this spiritual reality as a necessary backdrop to stories...
In philosophical terms, newspapers offer not only phenomena, but noumena; not only facts learned from study, but an infrastructure that gives meaning to the facts. When the Detroit Free Press offered its readers a typical newspaper report on urban crime, introductory facts and anecdotes were immediately followed bw list of "things that spur killings . . . stress, joblessness, poverty, guns, and subcultures of violence." Sin was not mentioned.
The current AIDS plague has provided an opportunity for widespread repentance. Paul told the Romans that when men do not give thanks to God, their thinking becomes futile, and then God lets them turn thought into action: Men abandon "natural relations with women," are "inflamed with lust for one another," and "commit indecent acts with other men." Finally, they receive "in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:18- 4 32). Recent news accounts have speculated about a variety of potential causes of AIDS, but materialist reporters could not take seriously the belief that AIDS is a God-sent warning to homosexuals and to adulterous heterosexuals and to anyone who scorns Him.
In fact I would say that they are complaining not because the reporting is not objective but because it is. The authors effectively define objectivity as agreement with their religious beliefs. But true objectivity must deal with the fact that those beliefs are not objectively demonstrable and cannot treat them as fact.

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Message 389 of 1677 (840838)
10-04-2018 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by caffeine
10-04-2018 3:17 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
That is incredibly lacking in information. No titles, not even a clear description of the subject matter. And some pretty clear bias on the author’s part - for instance he complains that very little attention was paid to the life of Jesus (which is not historically that important and lacking in good sources, too)

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Message 393 of 1677 (840874)
10-05-2018 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 392 by Faith
10-04-2018 8:39 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
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I get the impression the book by Olasky and Smith is way too focused on the Christian worldview for EvC.
As I said it is essentially a complaint that reporters do not agree with their bias. Unfortunately they are at best unable to see that, which would be ironic to say the least.
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A Christian who has spent time reading up on Christian history would be appalled at the way the Reformation and the life of Christ are slighted in textbooks, since we know that these were the most important events in all of human history.
To you they are important, but the life of Jesus was not that important to history, and even the Reformation is only a part of the upheavals of the time.
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It's interesting that it's specifically Protestantism that is most slighted according to the author
Not entirely - he lists other things like the Eastern Churches. He even complains that the treatment of Catholicism is inadequate.
e.g. (concerning US history)
That the Catholic school system was founded at great cost and sacrifice as an expression of the American search for religious freedom is not mentioned once.
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...one thing that I have learned over the last few years is that the Jesuits have been hard at work rewriting history since about the 1920s in their neverending project to overthrow Protestantism or even expunge it from the planet. Before that you can still find books that give a proper weight to these things -- according to us Protestants of course.
In other words the decline in vicious anti-Catholic propaganda is due to an evil Catholic plot.
I guess i’m going to be accused of making vicious personal attacks for pointing out the obvious truth. Again.

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