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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
It's not a question I can answer Phat; it's just such silly idea that it's only answerable by those that believe in nonsense to start with.
It’s a bit like asking if the moon was made of cheese, what kind would it be? But in any case, if you DID believe in all this stuff why wouldn't you want to be with guy you say you believe in? That doesn't make any sense at all.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
You're even crazier than I thought...
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Well Phat, according to EVC logins it look like Faith has gone but you've ben left behind. I guess you finally got lucky :-)
Jayill's still here too; that'll piss him off, but it's no surprise to me.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Percy writes: only belief matters. All those trillions of people who just got born in the wrong place. Seems a tad random.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: Not necessarily. I think that if belief were the criteria it would be graded on more than a simple creed or statement. YOU think. You want your idea of god to be the correct one because you think he's nicer than that. Faith thinks the opposite. Don't you think that you're just making this stuff up to make yourself feel better?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Last I heard Catholics are the largest Christian group in the world. But I guess they don't count.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: Yes, September 10th has come and gone in Israel. Perhaps you meant ruptured?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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So, as predicted you're still here, totaly unraptured. Just like everyone else. Also a predicted, being proven wrong has made no diference at all to what you believe.
Can you at least begin to understand what was happening to you when you were seeing all those signs of the upcoming rapture? You were looking for them in every little thing and of course found them in many little things. That's confirmation bias and motivated thinking at work. A perfect example of it. You became a living experiment.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Yes, well I said I might be wrong. Oh sure. Then you said 'but' and went on for pages about why you're expecting to be raptured this month. And then specifically the 10th and found loads of reasons for it. Just like you do with most of your beliefs. The difference being that you could be proven wrong in ways you can't fool yourself about on this one.
As for the portents,I still see them as portents of its being close Of course you do, I said that you would. It's all part of the syndrome.
though I've given up on the Rosh Hashanah timing. Rather, it gave up on you. You had no choice but to 'give up on it', it didn't happen.
I really don't think such a collection of impressions could just be the result of my looking for them. No shit! However, that's what proveably happened.
Some of them are awfully precise. In prophesies, precision is the enemy, they can be shown to be wrong very easily, that's why prophesies are rarely precise, but when they are they're wrong. Just like yours and Christ's.
Do you think you could come up with such a collection on a theme of your choice? How common are escape or evacuation themes found? See how many you can find just going about your daily life. How about end times allusions in general? I'd be quite bad at it because to see these things you have to be susceptable to that kind of weird, magical thinking. I'm not infected by that kind of mind virus. But you just gave us a perfect demonstration of it. You turn mundane or fully explicable events into magical portents. Though why a god would feel he had to work in that dumb way is questionable too. Having said that it would be such an easy thing to demonstrate that I'm sure it's been properly researched many times. If I get a chance I'll look it up.
And I got a couple more portents this morning already. From the radio. The first thing on the Bible reading program was Deuteronomy 32.... Yeh, what a surprise, you got portents listening to a radio channel broadcasting the Old Testament. Of course you bloody did!!! It would be impossible for you not to.
As for the portents, I'll just keep them in mind and note others as they occur and figure it's still coming soon though when is going to be the big surprise scripture says it will be. It will not be coming soon or ever. That's my prophesy. It was also my prophesy that you being shown to be abjectly wrong would change nothing for you. And obviously it hasn't.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
For those that care, there's a good literary review of the research for confirmation bias here
http://psy2.ucsd.edu/~mckenzie/nickersonConfirmationBias.pdf p190 deals with confirmation bias in real life circumstances. The pyramid numerology stuff would be worth a look.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes:
I didn't expect that you would. (It was another little prophecy I made) It's there as a reference for anyone that actually wants to see the research and evidence for confirmation bias. There's a lot of experiments and papers referred to, each can be followed up to see methodology etc. It's how science accumulates knowledge. I'm not reading that. Of course you would not want to read or know about it. If you did read it you'd reject it out of hand. Nevertheless, it's proven science.
How about you do the experiment I suggested? Because it's not necessary; there's real research and peer reviewed science available - you don't have to have just one guy's subjective testing.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Another one: the Bible reading program was at Joshua 6:22 when I turned it on, describing how the Israelites brought Rahab and her family out of Jericho before destroying it. Well quite apart from seeing no connection with that and the rapture, why are you at all surprised if you're regularly turning on scripture radio and making connections with the end times? The bloody book is full of it. But if you'd bothered to read the science of confirmation bias - which, I prophecy you never will - you'd know about positive bias. You are looking only for confirmation, you are not looking to disprove your hypothesis; you're not counting the times when you switch the radio on and even you can't make a connection. So all you get are positive hits. Those negative hits will disprove your hypothesis. But in your case, you won't recognise them nor will you count them.
You can't be thinking about the actual phenomena going on here in trying to reduce it to ordinary confirmation bias. Yes I can. It's an absolutely beautiful example of it. The thing is, you're hyper-sensitised to seeing these omens in everything. You spelled them all out for us. BUT despite all that it didn't actually happen. It wasn't what you thought it was. You were wrong. There's no stronger proof than that. But of course, you're now making excuses for it - as we predicted you would. Typically the failure to predict what happens, simply makes the belief stronger. You're doing exactly that - as predicted. And the below is another perfect example of how people rationalise away this failure and come think that it's better that way.
By the way I've started thinking of these things as much more personal messages to me than before: leave this world and its toys behind, this world that is doomed to destruction anyway, and come seek Me with all your heart. I'd already realized that if the Rapture didn't happen that's the direction I should go in anyway. The whole experience, wondering if I was really ready, am I an "overcomer" or not and so on, woke me up to the need for a more serious pursuit of God. So despite the disappointment it's probably a good thing it didn't happen yet. There you go, failure all explained away perfectly for you. No problem here. And why the fuck Phat is cheering this perfect example of delusional behaviour is totally beyond me... Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The precision of the happenstance makes it more than confirmation bias. Yes Faith that's what you believe. But I have to remind you that you were proven wrong by the fact that, despite how precise you say the 'happenstance' was, it didn't actually happen. Moreover, I predicted it wouldn't and told you what your reaction would be when it didn't happen. That's something that even you can't deny. Well maybe you'll try.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The Rapture will come eventually.
it hasn't for the last 2.000 years. It hasn't on the numerous times it's been predicted. It didn't this week despite your 'omens'. It won't within your lifetime and it won't ever. You've proved it yourself.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I suppose the most ironic result would be the atheists that led decent lives suddenly finding themselves 200 feet in the air and rising whilst the holier-than-thou evangelicals watch in disgust.
Bad ending for both parties I guess.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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