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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
After a bit of googling, I found that my true enemy is communism.
Wiki writes: If you favor communism, we have beef. Socialism is an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system. ... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not. 5. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst while communism seeks to get rid of capitalism.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Your true enemy is capitalism. It's in your own back yard. I found that my true enemy is communism. Speaking of rubes and con-men, the capitalists have conned you into being a proponent of the system that exploits you. You're like the poor white Southerners who supported slavery despite getting no benefit from it.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Are you saying that under communism the US would be better off? That sounds contrived. And all I care about is whether I would be better off. If the majority of the poor are better off and im worse off, its a losing situation.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Do you read anything I write at all? Did I say that? Why do you keep bringing up communism anyway? I haven't mentioned it.
Are you saying that under communism the US would be better off? Phat writes:
I have told you before that you'd be better off under a more socialist system. One obvious example is that you'd have fewer worries about the cost of healthcare.
And all I care about is whether I would be better off. Phat writes:
That's the lie that the capitalists are telling you. They've got you scape-goating the poor. If the majority of the poor are better off and im worse off, its a losing situation.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I read this article:
Can Socialism Work In America? and it was a well thought out piece, The author concludes: In theory, pure socialism sounds like an ideal system in which no one would exploit another person and everyone would be equal. However, this system has been tried out in other countries, such as the former USSR, and has been discarded due to its impracticalities. It seems that while everyone was equal in practice, there was still a hierarchy with politicians and their cronies at the top, leading to disparities between people, and there were a lot of shortages of even essential items. While American capitalism has not resulted in an equal distribution of wealth, anyone is free to aspire to something better and better act in her own best interests. Rather than looking to socialism, a better way to deal with market distortions is to have the government play a larger role and creating impediments so that businesses don’t take on large risks and only reap the rewards, while the government backstops them if things don’t work out.
Capitalism has led to occasional economic distress and distortions. While it is not a perfect system, compared with pure socialism, it seems it is the lesser of two evils. Thus, it seems a capitalistic system, with some socialist touches, might be what is best for the US. It seems to make sense. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Are you saying that under communism the US would be better off? Do you know what Communism is or are you simply dealing with yet another misconception of your own making? Do you think an employee owned company is evil?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Another strawman. Nobody said anything about "pure socialism". It seems to make sense.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Hmmm, he "rhymes wih bee" key on my keyboard seems o have sopped working. I waned o reply, bu i will have o wai.
--Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: No, as long as we all earn a fair profit. we should get to keep our money once we are paid, though. What do you think? Do you think an employee-owned company is evil?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you think that if you are faced with debts far beyond your ability to repay that it is reasonable for society to forgive those debts and remove your obligation to repay beyond what is possible?
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Replying from my development machine.
Phat writes: My assumption is that I am decent by Grace anyway. This conceit is similar to Faith's, the big difference being that you are actually decent by all evidence we see here. You actually care about people. That is the way you are made. It is who you are. It has nothing to do with Grace or some magic person in the sky. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
As you know, I was faced with bankruptcy in 2008. I did negotiate a deal with the court where I repaid an agreed upon amount which was not all that I would have owed. Had I not had that option, I would have been basically indebted for life and would not have been able to finance my home which I now live in nor save anything for my needs as I grow older.
Was it fair? Yes and no. After all, I was responsible for the situation I had gotten myself in. Strict Capitalists would never have given an inch. I have to thank limited socialism for giving me a second chance at a sound financial future. So should Donald Trump. He too was bankrupt at one time. I remember that you advised me to pay it all back...as a responsibility to society, but that would have been virtually impossible. I did learn my lesson and have not been in any debt since.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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No, the true enemy is the oligarchy, where , no matter what the economic principle, or the political system, the wealth and power gets concentrated to the very few, and a substance amount of people live in poverty. That can happen under socialism, that can happen under capitalism, that can happen under democracy, and that can happen under communism.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
perhaps under today's capitalism, the middle class see themselves aligned with the oligarchy in the hopes of attaining a better position economically in life. Under socialism, that same middle class, as I understand it, would eventually blend in with the masses below them...leaving the small oligarchy at the top to contend with.
ringo may claim that the "lie" that I believe is that my "cushy" life would get worse under socialism, whereas he thinks it would improve...somehow. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Why would it not be in your interest to unite against the oligarchy? Under socialism, that same middle class, as I understand it, would eventually blend in with the masses below them...leaving the small oligarchy at the top to contend with.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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