Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith

Not at all. That is like saying that because that because some Canadians have committed terrible acts, or because we have to a large degree moved away from organized religion, and that we aren't all that keen on the way the excited States conducts trade policy that all Canadians, infants and all, should be bombed into oblivion. Also, I see that the way we live our lives is a sympton of where our heart is. It is all about where our hearts are. Someone who was raised in abusive homes, has mental health issues etc may actually have hearts that hate what the do and actually do desire goodness but aren't able to live it out in their lives. I have to admit that my approach to that is very simple. I believe that ultimately under a loving God there will be perfect justice.

There's no problem.
And I didn't say anything about wanting to believe. Believers simply believe.
Believers believe what is written, and that is what opens the door to realms of glory unbelievers will never know.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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There's no problem.

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I’d say that you have plenty of problems.

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And I didn't say anything about wanting to believe.

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Sure you did. You started by talking about those who didn’t want to believe so those who are left must be the ones who did want to believe.

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Believers believe what is written, and that is what opens the door to realms of glory unbelievers will never know.

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You Bible-twisting idolators may enjoy your egotistic delusions, and your sins. Fortunately for you, you are wrong - or you would be doomed to Hell.

Yeh, we can all quote stuff, here's Matthew, all in total context. You have to turn multiple cartwheels to make the plain words into something else.

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Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

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as an aside, this didn't happen either, the Wailing Wall still stands brick on brick

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As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us", they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understandthen let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again. Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matthew 24)

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But it did come quite obviously in 70AD. I'm not trusting any particular theologian in this case. I'm simply reading what the Scriptures tell us and I laid it all out for you.

There was no abomination of desolation involved in 70 AD.

The unbelievers may not want to believe, but that says nothing about the believers, who simply believe. Sorry.

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There was no abomination of desolation involved in 70 AD.

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But - according to Mark, copied by Matthew - Jesus said that there would be. Reading in context is a fine thing.

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The unbelievers may not want to believe, but that says nothing about the believers, who simply believe. Sorry.

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If they didn’t want to believe they would find reasons not to - you said it. And there are good reasons not to believe - as is clear from your failure to answer them. Sorry, but you are wrong, as usual.

You can't have even read what I wrote. This is simply a knee jerk reaction to what you think I would say. In this case I read it as to what it PLAINLY SAID and what it referred to. If you had read what I said you would know that I didn't see this as Jesus knowing it supernaturally but simply knowing that the destruction of the Temple would be as a result of what the Romans would do in putting down a military rebellion. The fact that a wall is left standing is hardly an issue.You quoted Matthew 24 which says essentially the same thing that it says in Mark 13 which I went through in detail. You obviously didn't read what I wrote in the post what you are supposedly replying to.

You used this quote. "There was no abomination of desolation involved in 70 AD." What is that from. Aside from that it is wrong in terms of what was meant by the phrase as taken from Daniel 7.

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You used this quote. "There was no abomination of desolation involved in 70 AD." What is that from.

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The message I was replying to, of course. Message 906

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Aside from that it is wrong in terms of what was meant by the phrase as taken from Daniel 7.

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In Daniel 7 it refers to Antiochus’ pagan altar in the Temple. There was nothing like that in 70AD.

I apologize. I thought you were replying to me.

I read it twice. What's more I've read it before. It makes no difference, it still says - in terms - what it says. Even your hero CS Lewis calls it the most embarassing passage of the bible.It's absolutely plain what it says and what it means. What's more even those thought so at the time. Your apologetics doesn't change the text or its simple meaning.

Since there wasn't, we know it is yet future.