Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith

Prophesy fulfilled.

That's an easy prophecy of course. Having to get around with my walker means there are lots of places I don't go.I'm not the one who needs to be convinced anyway. Some time it might give you a different perspective to quote some scripture to someone with acute mental illness. Like 1 John 4.

You really ought to know by now that since science addresses the physical world it misses the invisible spiritual world altogether.

Thanks again, Phat. This has gone on longer than I intended but I appreciate getting to hear your story.

It certainly does. But if the silent and invisible spiritual world was real it certainly wouldn't and couldn't.

But you're the one that thought it worth doing.... The mentally ill have been preached over for generations by well-meaning (and malicious) but misguided sharmans of all varieties.Your favourite branch of Christianity even has a whole set of formal procedures to drive out demons called exorcism. There's a Lutherian version too so I guess reading chunks of biblical bollocks at them doesn't work. Surprise.

If it was a whole room full of people speaking in tongues, that would be even more indicative of collusion, etc. But that isn't what happens, in my experience. There may be two or three people in succession but never more than one at a time. And there are any number of possible explanations for a string of them - imitation, for instance, the bandwagon effect. You are in no way qualified to make that assessment.

Demon possession is not an explanation. You could just as easily say it was gremlins. An explanation as to involve something that actually exists.

You missed what I said in Message 1417 where I described an occasion when a pastor asked the whole congregation to face east and speak in our tongues, which we did, and the room was full of babbling tongues. What "collusion" could there possibly be when we all have a different "rtongue?"And anybody who has ever seen Tourette's knows this is nothing like Tourette's. There is no more qualification required than that.\The strained efforts to deny the obvious by all of you are amusing.

Well, gremlins are an interesting alternative. Not. You keep failing to give even the slightest reasonable alternative explanation. Funny that.

You contradict yourself. You do know that the Chipmunks are human voices, don't you? Yes, memory has a tendency to fill in the gaps. As Tolkien said, the tale grows in the telling.

You're kidding, right? The pastor told them to speak in tongues and they did. If he told them to sing, they would sing. If it happened spontaneously, without anybody being told what to do, that would be different. I mentioned it because it is similar.

The reasonable explanations aren't meant to convince you. They're meant to show reasonable people how unreasonable you are.

I haven't seen even a shadow of a reasonable explanation from you yet.And the comparison of tongues-speaking with Tourette's is a massive fail. Tourette's comes over a person suddenly and can't be controlled, causing both jerky movements and voiced profanities. Tongues speaking can be started and stopped by the speaker, it is completely within our control. I don't think it's a genuine gift of the Spirit, I think it could be demonic or it could be what Watchman Nee said, a remnant of the "soul power" Adam and Eve had that gets stimulated in a spiritual context. But it is nothing like Tourette's, which is likely demonic but not the same kind of thing in any case.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You wouldn't recognize a reasonable explanation if it sat down beside you in church.