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Thugpreacha
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Message 226 of 283 (864980)
10-19-2019 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by ringo
10-19-2019 4:43 PM


Re: On evidence
She evidently had no fear where she would live or whether she would be warm at night or stay healthy through her old age. I confess that I wonder what it was that that old widow had that I lack. Trust, perhaps?

Looking around at people these days and seeing how competitive and greedy many are, I worry that they will hustle harder than I am capable of and snatch all the choice picks before I get a chance to pick. Critics would argue that I have little to whine about. My biggest worry is my health--I have an eye operation coming up next month to prevent blindness. All the money in the world can't cure that right now.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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ringo
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Message 227 of 283 (864981)
10-19-2019 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Thugpreacha
10-19-2019 4:47 PM


Re: On evidence
Phat writes:

I confess that I wonder what it was that that old widow had that I lack.


As I said, the less you have the less you worry about losing it. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. If you love something, let it go. We wouldn't have made up so many cliches about it if there wasn't a germ of truth to it.

You're working too hard at being un-Christlike. Turn socialist and it will come naturally.


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AlexCaledin
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Message 228 of 283 (864983)
10-19-2019 5:05 PM
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10-19-2019 4:47 PM


Re: On evidence
That's it, competitive and greedy! That f'n' belief in Evolution makes one to forget that he is simply a human and to start "evolving" into something f'n' great - "naturally" selecting others away - but in fact he rather evolves back to monkey.

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Message 229 of 283 (864985)
10-19-2019 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by AZPaul3
10-19-2019 5:31 AM


Re: religion of goat herders revisited
OK I won't bother to say anything more to you on this subject. That should make you happy.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 230 of 283 (864986)
10-19-2019 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by AlexCaledin
10-19-2019 5:05 PM


Re: On evidence
This is the wrong thread to display how ignorant you are about evolution.

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Theodoric
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Message 231 of 283 (864989)
10-19-2019 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Faith
10-19-2019 4:42 PM


Re: Jesus Christ is just an attempt to discredit Ahura Mazda
No your beliefs are not and neither is christianity.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 232 of 283 (865023)
10-20-2019 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
10-19-2019 5:11 PM


Re: religion of goat herders revisited
The fact that Genesis was written in two widely separated versions of the same language is not something to be happy or sad about. It just is.

The FMS stuff ... well, that was just for fun.

Fun makes me happy. It makes my insides feel good. Like playing with puppies. Yes, I am a happy poster.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 233 of 283 (865035)
10-20-2019 1:03 PM
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10-20-2019 4:37 AM


Re: religion of goat herders revisited
I feel your optimism. It contrasts nicely with Theodoric's grumpiness and social activist outrage at exclusivism. Tangle accuses we Christians of being gloomy (in our own lives) and desiring an end to todays lifestyle because they simply dont fit in or feel irrelevant or (God bless them) they actually feel as if our culture has abandoned the message of Jesus.I have two questions for you--the atheist AZPaul3.
1) If Jesus existed, did the message He intended to convey get lost through being redefined and marketed by a secular culture attempting to make its own mark upon the world? Was Constantine only the first in a long line of windbags who used Christianity yet never actually lived it? Has the modern church become irrelevant of its own fault or is it a cultural thing pushing us towards irrelevance?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 234 of 283 (865036)
10-20-2019 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by ringo
10-19-2019 4:55 PM


Re: On evidence
If you love something, let it go.
Did the early believers in Acts focus more on Christ or more on an early form and attempt at socialism?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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ringo
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Message 235 of 283 (865049)
10-20-2019 2:05 PM
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10-20-2019 1:06 PM


Re: On evidence
Phat writes:

Did the early believers in Acts focus more on Christ or more on an early form and attempt at socialism?


Isn't it the same thing?

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Thugpreacha
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Message 236 of 283 (865052)
10-20-2019 2:12 PM
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10-20-2019 2:05 PM


Re: On evidence
Good question. I know the argument...we have had it many times.

I have no problem with living the message. I fear socialism only because I fear a loss of control, and being at the mercy of others. I would rather be at the mercy of Jesus, but I must confess I hope that He blesses me and not simply gives me a daily ration along with all the others. Likely this is a lesson I still have to learn.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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ringo
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Message 237 of 283 (865053)
10-20-2019 2:16 PM
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10-20-2019 2:12 PM


Re: On evidence
Phat writes:

I fear socialism only because I fear a loss of control, and being at the mercy of others.


But you're making that up. I have never advocated that.

Edited by ringo, : No reason given.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 238 of 283 (865071)
10-20-2019 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ringo
10-20-2019 2:16 PM


Re: On evidence
True, but socialism goes against me making whatever I want or perceive that I need. How is that not limiting me and making me powerless to earn enough to retire?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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ringo
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Message 239 of 283 (865072)
10-20-2019 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Thugpreacha
10-20-2019 3:26 PM


Re: On evidence
Phat writes:

True, but socialism goes against me making whatever I want or perceive that I need.


That's your comic-book version of socialism. We're talking about Jesus' version of socialism here.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 240 of 283 (865092)
10-20-2019 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by ringo
10-20-2019 3:30 PM


Re: On evidence
ringo writes:

We're talking about Jesus' version of socialism here.

Not everybody is expected to give all they have. If so, show me otherwise.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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